New TA Rules to watch out for
 

I figured since this thing got passed and we are "moving on" , that individuals could post threads about TA language that individuals should be aware of.

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25.M.1.g.iii

g. A reserve pilot who departs his domicilebase to operate a
domesticnon-augmented duty period shall be scheduled for release to
a legal rest period not later than 4“NW + 16” (i.e., 16 hours after the
end ofstart of the notification window applicable to his RP). This
paragraph shall not apply:
i. to a pilot who is released for a legal rest period prior to the
showtime of his reserve assignment; or
ii. if the reserve pilot is assigned to a duty period consisting
exclusively of deadhead; or
iii. if the pilot, by virtue of having been timely notified of his next
assignment, serves neither his notification window nor any
portion of his RP prior to showtime for the departing duty period,
and that pilot has at least 8 hours free from duty prior to the next
assignment’s showtime

So if have a future RP(reserve period), DO NOT check VIPS or answer/return a CRS call unless you are within your NW/reserve period, because now you can be assigned a trip scheduled well past the NW(notification window) + 16.

Have your friend check your schedule for you. :)

There maybe many more gotchas that we all need to be aware of, so lets help each other out to make sure no one gets screwed.

I'm sure everyone read the TA and is aware of the gotchas, otherwise they would not have cast an informed vote.

But, since when did checking a schedule equate to being notified?






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I believe they know when you check your schedule, though that is not notification. However, sometimes if you try to pull something up, the crew notification screen will pop up. If you don't want to know, it's probably a good idea not to check.

Of course they know when you check your schedule. They know every page you look at. They also know every person who looks at your schedule, so if you're worried about looking at your own schedule, you probably shouldn't have a friend look, either. Find a stranger ...

There's a difference between knowing what your schedule is along with any recent changes, and being NOTIFIED of the changes. Don't play dumb or lie, but know the difference. In VIPS, you are not considered notified until you acknowledge the notification. The Notification and the prompt to Acknowledge won't just pop up randomly. You can look at anything in VIPS except Notifications, and you won't see them.






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If you do look at your adjusted schedule and/or non-notified trips, it might be wise to save a screenshot as a possible line of future defense ;). (Most VIPS pages have a timestamp on them)

[QUOTE=TonyC;2001006]Of course they know when you check your schedule. They know every page you look at. They also know every person who looks at your schedule, so if you're worried about looking at your own schedule, you probably shouldn't have a friend look, either. Find a stranger ...

There's a difference between knowing what your schedule is along with any recent changes, and being NOTIFIED of the changes. Don't play dumb or lie, but know the difference. In VIPS, you are not considered notified until you acknowledge the notification. The Notification and the prompt to Acknowledge won't just pop up randomly. You can look at anything in VIPS except Notifications, and you won't see them.


Tony,
I had this exact discussion with the Chair of the Grievance Committee and he said the lawyers say it is best not to look. Apparently the company will come in with the log ins and say you have looked at your schedule x number of times and that counts. Apparently this has stuck in some cases. BTW I know what the contract says just saying what was told to me.

I know a guy that looked at a reserve assignment but never clicked on his notification, and they never called him. He chickened out and showed for the trip

This language is no different than how RSV works now, except that it expands Whitlow provisions to any non-augmented duty period, not just domestic (the quote in the OP is not accurate language). You can not be released to a legal rest period unless you're notified.

No gotchas here.

I understand the attorneys' perspective. They don't need any extra work defending me from The Company should they decide I should be disciplined for doing something they think is wrong. That's one reason I emphasized you should never lie about what you know, because they know you know and can easily prove it.

And yet, I am the one who must live under the CBA and abide by all its rules and enjoy only the quality of life that it will afford. Knowing the CBA, and knowing exactly what is allowed and what is not is to my advantage. The Company will certainly take advantage of every feature that favors them; I don't feel the least bit guilty for using any part of it that favors me. It affects my life, but it does not affect the attorney. He has his own CBA.






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This may be an option for some but it will be very situation dependent. We still do have other contractual protections in place to limit duty day, especially within the critical period.

I spent a few years on reserve. If I was getting regularly assigned to the typical am hub turn, I much preferred clicking on a notification at ~1000 am the day prior. Then I could attempt to plan my sleep and possibly get a decent amount of it prior to waking up for the 0230 show time. The alternative was to play dumb and avoid VIPs which would set me up for a 0001L phone call from CRS to notify me of the trip I had been assigned 14 hours earlier. Personally, I'll take the extra 1.5 hours of sleep.

This is all new, so I'll readily admit I may be off base. However, I'm having a hard time seeing a scenario where a reserve pilot gets assigned a trip "well past NW + 16". We still sit reserve for only 12 hours right? So, unless an A reserve actually has his RP changed, his trip has to show between 0130L and 1330L. Clicking on a crew notification doesn't change that. It sounds like all that does is remove the Whitlow rule from the equation, so the time from NW start at 0000L to show time wouldn't count as duty. He's still got a 10:30 operational duty limit for a critical period domestic hub turn.

As far as the VIPS computer notification question: One of the VPs came in and talked with our F/O class during ITU. He actually logged in and showed us how they can track everything we do there.

Seems if they could do that, they would have figured out the wolf pack trips a long time ago.....if they wanted to.

One reason to not log on early even before the new contract starts could be, because they can change your reserve period, if they give you enough notification (is it 16-18 hours)? So if you have a nice relatively senior block of B reserve days, they can call you before your block even begins, and change them all to A. I'd assume they can do that in the middle of them, but then they would have to give you that time off after notification. If I was on reserve, I think I would answer the phone when I am in the contractually specified notification period, and check my schedule when required. Especially if they're short of A reserves.

Better yet, get down to the AOC by 8:30pm. Then you can duty in and you can't be late. Go back to the sleep rooms and get ~5 hours rest before you go. I've been doing this for 13 years......Since the recliner rooms....

It's nice to have the sleep rooms, but I don't like them THAT much. :eek:






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"Seems if they could do that, they would have figured out the wolf pack trips a long time ago.....if they wanted to." busdriver12

They know exactly how the wolf pack works:

I saw this in a dream so who knows: Special trips come to the AOC weeks in advance.
3 cubicle weenies work them. Dip clearances, routes, special airfields etc. One might be a pilot.
Then they get published, later.
All it takes is a txt e-mail or tele from an insider to a wolf an wallah. HOWL

Just a dream not an accusation.

Also while not not dreaming. MO and whis wife SO ferried a 300 to Asia. 2 captions how convenient.
Was either dual qualified? Legally allowed to fly the R seat ( a special qual)NO!!!! Nice vacation trip, pairing was generous in layover time. Frequently mgmt buds (also not dual qual) take a trips too but they wear kilts They are nearing retirement. So in 2 years when we have to move an acft to Asia or Europe who will be the F/O or now upgraded capt who has the experience?

During the last peak shortage numerous captians (mgmt) flew the r seat too. Do they have dual qual like a flex or sca/lca? I think not. They just have access to scheds that you don't.

Good luck picking up a special or really nice or ez trip.

Favoritism NEPOTISM run deep at FDX. Sheesh! every time Bruce C daughter (low seniority) enters the AOC she is like a member of the royal family has arrived. She should earn her stripes. Every capt uses kitten cloves and Elizabethan politeness with her. Good luck in bad wx, with a mel, divert and a hdryo sys fail. Her heritage will not help much .

The booze is flowing and not a spell-check to be seen for miles. :D

It's like those human brain trials where they leave out most of the important letters in a paragraph but the reader still understands what they're reading. Does he post without even looking at the final result or does he read it and just say... "Meh, they'll figure it out"?

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
As far as the VIPS computer notification question: One of the VPs came in and talked with our F/O class during ITU. He actually logged in and showed us how they can track everything we do there.

Its worse that you can imagine! IPAD worse on 3g (they can see all) not so on WiFi.
They can see every log in and site you visited and keep stats.
The DO keeps a log. He sends that to the SCP/ACP, Standards,Training, daily.
Its all documented and kept. Even if its trivial.
So when they call you, and ask your side of the story they forget to mention that they know the more, the other side of the story.

Additionally they will look you up on your "plot report card (it has your picture): (mgmt only).
The first thing they check is your sick and mil leave. If they think you have used too much mil/sck. You start with 2 strikes against you ( do report/ report card sck, mil stats)
Then they by Spanish inquisition/police tactics, they repetitively ask you the same question. To see if your answer changes. All recorded. They'll give the rope to hang yourself.

I objected to the union about the report card. As we are allowed to see our record by contract. Good luck with this. You have to make an appointment and go to hacks cross, there will be a PAC person and lawyer.
I objected to the union that this is called a shop list and has been challenged and eliminated at other airline. Hey new reps what do you think?

I was thinking the exact same thing but I was trying to "behave".

aldel driver grammar nazi

Cool pic what did you really fly? C150 or piper?

No booze no ad hominum Just a small keyboard on a cell moving in a crew van.

This booze thing that i an constantly accused of;
? it take one to know one?
Or like farting he who smelt it dealt it?


Other night in Kmem the winds were very gusty. Lately we have a few lines go thru. Neither the F/O or the jumpseater questioned my grammar. Instead they said thanks nice landing. When exiting on the stairs a holly shot or 2 was mentioned.

alerdriver

AND wallah
MO SO If you don't know who M-Ke and suze are good for you.
Caption not caption wright? capetain?
take took oops
numerous oK "many" s$it cubicle duds(s)
Hydralics hydrastics when they go bad SyS1 Blu with 34.6 gallons at 3500psi for the nerd tech pilots.

These have got to be saved. When he sobers up he'll try to edit or delete them.

I could not care less about grammar usage or misspelling. However...

Misinformation does need to be called out. The captains (now retired and friends of mine) who ferried to Asia, totally legal. As a captain, she could fly in the left seat, and as flight test, he could fly in either. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And complaining about how someone walks into AOC? What are they supposed to do, crawl? People might pay more attention to her because of positive personality traits. Who cares if someone is more popular than others, and why?

I'm (usually) far from a grammar Nazi. I really just wanted to ensure your post, in its original form, was preserved for posterity. They're pretty entertaining.

If you want to be more than a punchline here, would it be that difficult to run a spell check or at least read what you post after it's up so you can make any corrections that might help the reader. Small keyboards and moving crew vans aside, maybe your message isn't as critical as you think and could wait until you get to a real computer or the crew van at least stops. I'd also ask you to minimize the stream of consciousness approach you use in your posts but that's probably asking too much - I think that's just your way. The booze thing is just a comic way of inferring that your messages come across a little (to say the least) disjointed. Ready-Fire-Aim!! You may know what you're trying to say and think you're saying it quite well. At the risk of speaking for the crowd, the rest of us have to work a little harder than usual to figure out what you're saying.

Case in point - I have no clue what a "holly shot or 2" on the air stairs is. My guess is you're trying to say that your passengers/FO were making some kind of exclamation because of the landing conditions..... if so, well, we're all just glad you guys are okay. :rolleyes:

I'm sure you're a fine pilot. We have lots of them - most of them can fly a jet AND communicate in public reasonably well ;). Maybe you communicate on the flight deck a little better than you do here.

" Misinformation does need to be called out. The captains (now retired and friends of mine) who ferried to Asia, totally legal. As a captain, she could fly in the left seat, and as flight test, he could fly in either"

BINGO! So how did these 2 privileged friends of your get the trip?
Who was the vanilla Captain or Joe 6pack F/O who got to fly to Asia on a sweet trip. And now that they are gone who did they teach to carry the baton?
With friends like these 2 buddy bidders who needs enemy?

I don't type well. I get it
Nepotism cronyism you my friend prove my point. Thanks

Stream of consciousness you mean like William falkner or James joyce?

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Quit reading Dr Suess

While you are on google look up ee cummings. note small h--- he wasn't big on capitalization or punctuation. But all of the above are recognized for their brilliance and can be found in any public library. How bout u?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTSGp4UdEvQ


NiTer farter oops nitefrater when you get out of diapers you'll understand.

ITS A BLOG GET OVER YOURSELVES.

Wrong! " ...Who cares if someone is more popular than others, and why?" she is not popular her dad is. The real humor here is he is most popular for being a total duc$e bag. And would strut with a ship eating grin in the AOC.
Did you notice??? he retired (from flying) big cake but did not retire from FDX$$$$
Will this be you or like the rest of us proletariat?

No cake in the new contract.

skeebo2, it's Friday night. Come on man, admit it. You're wasted. There's nothing wrong with that. You would do yourself a favor by admitting your posts are alcohol-induced. Otherwise, you're arguing that you post as you have been while sober. :eek:

I have seen some of these trips and they don't look like sweet deals to me. I'd assume that they go to people with specific training on overwater ops that most Airbus domestic sluggos don't get until they move over to the MD-11 or 777. No doubt Flight Test pilots are offered these sort of deals, and I don't begrudge them flying trips that I am not trained for. You want to fly to Asia on the bus now, they just posted a SIBA bid. Go for it.


I think it's pretty tasteless to bash someone because of whom their father is. Do you want people to put down your children, because they don't like you?

I'll second that - as well as the partial veiled attack on her abilities. Axe sharp yet?

Please don't discourage him.. It's very entertaining and, quite honestly, thought provoking. I keep asking myself "what does he mean", "what is that", "do I need to get out more??" Kitten Cloves? Love it...

I'll admit it. I haven't spent much time reading the urban dictionary. But, that may change. To be continued....

Hmm, I'm not thinking this is the urban dictionary. More like "kitten cloves" is drunkspeak for "kid gloves".

But I do see your point about not discouraging him. There hasn't been much to entertain us around here lately. Nothing but :(, so yeah, keep it coming, I need to smile again.

:eek: Holly Shot! I think you're right!

+1. Its just good entertainment. Though I have to admit I can't figure it all out..

You're absolutely right. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with posting while drunk. No shame in it.

I've told him many times I'd enjoy going out for a few beers on a long layover. :)

skeebo2, peace brother!

''Please don't discourage him.. It's very entertaining and, quite honestly, thought provoking. I keep asking myself "what does he mean", "what is that", "do I need to get out more??''..GOLFANDFLY SAID



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d2LAs-WL_4

Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme some skeebo!

Those trips are part 91. They are never going to line crews, as they are maintenance ferry flights operated solely within the flight test department. The airplanes are not maintained for ETOPS and as such, cannot operate 121. She operated many flights as part of flight test. I'm sure you could stop back in flight test and discuss it. You may even be able to volunteer for a route check. I saw one leaving on 12/24 last time I stuck my head in that office.

BTW, the FAA doesn't require a dual seat qual. If you have a type rating in an airplane, you are checked out in both seats. Furthermore, all of our FOs now have an unrestricted type rating. Only FedEx requires a dual seat qual.

deny: cronyism, nepotism and favoritism, special deals for insiders. Especially if you wear a kilt.
We all know some animals on the farm are more equal than others.

Don't need a route check I have more time in the flare than you do total. Flown the nats across the pond and to the pacific numerous times. I could probably show the check air man a thing or two.

No doubt...

"Just when I thought I had seen everything, along comes Skeebo..."

Well just step right up become a Flt Test guy, standards, LCA or Flex get your over water route check and knock yourself out. Yes, A300 guys need a over water route check before flying one of these since the A300 community is not trained to do them. You know guys complain about picking up planes out of MX in Mobile, New Iberia and Arcadia and some have refused to a contingency W&B saying they were not trained to do it. Guys also complain about having to a International CQ event also so I guess you cannot win.

I really would not expect anything less from a guy who talks about someone simply because who her dad is. For the record I flew with her when she was pregnant and she never menchoned who her dad was and was a good pilot and person to fly with.

If you'd learn to put it down it the touchdown zone, you could probably fix that issue.