Hedley Lamarr

I figured since this thing got passed and we are "moving on" , that individuals could post threads about TA language that individuals should be aware of.

Like

25.M.1.g.iii

g. A reserve pilot who departs his domicilebase to operate a
domesticnon-augmented duty period shall be scheduled for release to
a legal rest period not later than 4“NW + 16” (i.e., 16 hours after the
end ofstart of the notification window applicable to his RP). This
paragraph shall not apply:
i. to a pilot who is released for a legal rest period prior to the
showtime of his reserve assignment; or
ii. if the reserve pilot is assigned to a duty period consisting
exclusively of deadhead; or
iii. if the pilot, by virtue of having been timely notified of his next
assignment, serves neither his notification window nor any
portion of his RP prior to showtime for the departing duty period,
and that pilot has at least 8 hours free from duty prior to the next
assignment’s showtime

So if have a future RP(reserve period), DO NOT check VIPS or answer/return a CRS call unless you are within your NW/reserve period, because now you can be assigned a trip scheduled well past the NW(notification window) + 16.

Have your friend check your schedule for you.

There maybe many more gotchas that we all need to be aware of, so lets help each other out to make sure no one gets screwed.

TonyC

I'm sure everyone read the TA and is aware of the gotchas, otherwise they would not have cast an informed vote.

But, since when did checking a schedule equate to being notified?






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busdriver12

I believe they know when you check your schedule, though that is not notification. However, sometimes if you try to pull something up, the crew notification screen will pop up. If you don't want to know, it's probably a good idea not to check.

TonyC

Of course they know when you check your schedule. They know every page you look at. They also know every person who looks at your schedule, so if you're worried about looking at your own schedule, you probably shouldn't have a friend look, either. Find a stranger ...

There's a difference between knowing what your schedule is along with any recent changes, and being NOTIFIED of the changes. Don't play dumb or lie, but know the difference. In VIPS, you are not considered notified until you acknowledge the notification. The Notification and the prompt to Acknowledge won't just pop up randomly. You can look at anything in VIPS except Notifications, and you won't see them.






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FlybyKnite

If you do look at your adjusted schedule and/or non-notified trips, it might be wise to save a screenshot as a possible line of future defense . (Most VIPS pages have a timestamp on them)

HIFLYR

[QUOTE=TonyC;2001006]Of course they know when you check your schedule. They know every page you look at. They also know every person who looks at your schedule, so if you're worried about looking at your own schedule, you probably shouldn't have a friend look, either. Find a stranger ...

There's a difference between knowing what your schedule is along with any recent changes, and being NOTIFIED of the changes. Don't play dumb or lie, but know the difference. In VIPS, you are not considered notified until you acknowledge the notification. The Notification and the prompt to Acknowledge won't just pop up randomly. You can look at anything in VIPS except Notifications, and you won't see them.


Tony,
I had this exact discussion with the Chair of the Grievance Committee and he said the lawyers say it is best not to look. Apparently the company will come in with the log ins and say you have looked at your schedule x number of times and that counts. Apparently this has stuck in some cases. BTW I know what the contract says just saying what was told to me.

The Walrus

I know a guy that looked at a reserve assignment but never clicked on his notification, and they never called him. He chickened out and showed for the trip

md11phlyer

This language is no different than how RSV works now, except that it expands Whitlow provisions to any non-augmented duty period, not just domestic (the quote in the OP is not accurate language). You can not be released to a legal rest period unless you're notified.

No gotchas here.

TonyC

I understand the attorneys' perspective. They don't need any extra work defending me from The Company should they decide I should be disciplined for doing something they think is wrong. That's one reason I emphasized you should never lie about what you know, because they know you know and can easily prove it.

And yet, I am the one who must live under the CBA and abide by all its rules and enjoy only the quality of life that it will afford. Knowing the CBA, and knowing exactly what is allowed and what is not is to my advantage. The Company will certainly take advantage of every feature that favors them; I don't feel the least bit guilty for using any part of it that favors me. It affects my life, but it does not affect the attorney. He has his own CBA.






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Adlerdriver

This may be an option for some but it will be very situation dependent. We still do have other contractual protections in place to limit duty day, especially within the critical period.

I spent a few years on reserve. If I was getting regularly assigned to the typical am hub turn, I much preferred clicking on a notification at ~1000 am the day prior. Then I could attempt to plan my sleep and possibly get a decent amount of it prior to waking up for the 0230 show time. The alternative was to play dumb and avoid VIPs which would set me up for a 0001L phone call from CRS to notify me of the trip I had been assigned 14 hours earlier. Personally, I'll take the extra 1.5 hours of sleep.

This is all new, so I'll readily admit I may be off base. However, I'm having a hard time seeing a scenario where a reserve pilot gets assigned a trip "well past NW + 16". We still sit reserve for only 12 hours right? So, unless an A reserve actually has his RP changed, his trip has to show between 0130L and 1330L. Clicking on a crew notification doesn't change that. It sounds like all that does is remove the Whitlow rule from the equation, so the time from NW start at 0000L to show time wouldn't count as duty. He's still got a 10:30 operational duty limit for a critical period domestic hub turn.

As far as the VIPS computer notification question: One of the VPs came in and talked with our F/O class during ITU. He actually logged in and showed us how they can track everything we do there.