Meanwhile, at Delta..... 7 months after voting down their TA they have managed to decide on the size of the table they will be bargaining around during the next attempt.

But hey, they understand what a union is.....

come back when you work here.

Maybe you do get it, but you haven't yet realized it. :)

Some people chose to NOT pick up draft -- not because it was good for THEM and THEIR families right then, that day, that month, but because it was good for US, the union family.

Others chose to do what was good for THEM and THEIR families, right then, right there, without regard for the long-lasting and far-reaching negative consequences. Screw US, this is about ME.

They both made choices -- to which they were entitled. Some chose to consider only themselves; some chose to consider the welfare of the entire group.


Maybe you actually do get the difference between ME and WE.





But for the life of me, I don't recall you ever before, not even once, mentioning those scumbags flying draft in Asia as a reason to vote one way or another on the TA. The last time you used the word "draft" in a post was almost a year ago, and the previous time was almost 3 years ago. I guess this won't be the first or last case of revisionist history. ;)







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And they still haven't gotten to their amendable date.

They've made changes to their MEC, their MEC officers, and their Negotiating Committee, and they're re-engaging. That's a far cry from the doom-and-gloom picture that was painted by many here.






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I didn't realize you were a Moderator. ;)






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Then you weren't paying attention because lack of leverage was certainly one of my reasons. And I am sure I mentioned draft plenty of times along with selling back vacation. We probably had 50% of the pilots getting extra one way or the other. But I liked the contract, still do. We could have gotten more money with a united group, we didn't have it, so I voted yes. I'd vote yes today.

If the vote had been no, I would still be turning down draft and watching other pick it up. That is the difference between supporting the group and not. But voting yes or no is/was a personal decision based on personal circumstances. Just like when to retire or when to upgrade.

Give it up, Lag, it's hopeless. There are those that think they can categorize exactly why all 4100+ of us voted exactly how we did. And while that arrogance is not unexpected, it is rather astounding. People have their individual reasons for doing as they choose, and classifying all of us one way or another is too simplistic.

"Stay on Target"

Okay, out of respect to you-- only 3 posts in nine years, you must have felt strongly about this one!:)

so, 7 months for us puts us to April 2016-which isn't quite the pollyannaish version posted here and in other venues on the web. that is, mgt has a secret comeback offer if only we have the courage to vote no we'll still have a new contract by Peak 2015.

The same mindset of people who latched onto an investment discussion on cost mgt at FedEx and extrapolated it to mean we were getting screwed while ignoring comments that mgt hoped the contract would pass, but if it didn't they had a plan to get through Peak.

as to dollars for Scope, penalty is outlined in our contract. it's a large amount of $$ on an individual basis, just not as large as one would hope on a collective basis