WolfPack ???
 

So, who are these guys anyway and how much is known about it ?

They are on the MD-11. FO's, I think. All from the same military squadron. Some or most from Atlanta. Still doing their thing, without fear or getting in trouble. I know this because I heard a couple of FO's complaining about them on the crew bus just last week. Somehow, they are able to get cherry trips before they drop into open time, which does not seem right to me. One guy mentioned they somehow are able to roll over PMU, but I don't know how that works either.

The only way I can see this stopping is for as many MD FO's as possible to complain via POR's or complain to the union.

Our NC should have already taken care of this, but, of course, they didn't really speak for me, did they?

Sounds like the cartels at SWA. Are you guys FEDX or UPS?

FedEx.....

Heard most are minorities and so the potential discrimination lawsuit is the reason there is no company action. Rumor only, not based on anything.

^^^^ Well then why even post this crap? :mad::mad:

I heard the exact same thing. They're all Navy pilots. :)

^^^ That's even crappier...:D

Are they VF-1 guys?

Looks like membrains has a new alias

And possibly "Waldorf".

Then why continually ***** about it?

And possibly John Carr. I make my first post and you crap on me? Nice.

900 some posts? really? Find something else

If your identity in life is determined on posting on this site, you really need to think about doing something else.

Do y'all really like deadheading that much?

I got into this business to fly, not ride.

If you are going on an internet forum to complain about how often someone else posts on an internet forum, well.....:eek:

People are suspicious when a brand new poster starts posting, especially when passing on rumors. There have been a lot of trolls here, and many recycled ones.

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But bummer this is still allowed to continue.

I had heard that there was someone on 'the inside' helping them out, and that the insider had been fired. But, just looked at one of the calendars... wow. The Wolf Pack -- at least the lone calendar I looked at -- seems to be thriving. What really sucks is the abrogation of seniority. Not cool. :mad:

Memphis local? I joined the USAF to fly. I got into this business to make some money while expending minimal time/hassle. The fact I get to fly while doing it is a plus. :D

I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out the plus side of DH trips for commuters. It's less about the actual DH and more about door to door limo service, FF miles, First class lounges/tickets, paid commutes, staying home day one of a two-day DH or getting home a day or two early while still on the clock, no cars in domicile, crash pads or commuter hotels.

I just get the same feeling as when I'm standing in line and someone else cuts like I'm not even there.

Yep. I always thought the cycle of aviation went:

1. Paying to fly.
2. Getting paid to fly.
3. Getting paid to NOT fly.

I'm all about maximizing number 3 on that list.

And sweet double DH charters go a long ways toward that.

I have given it the old college try, but I always see the same usual suspects on these trips. Frustrating to say the least.

I like to fly, but momma and the kids cannot go on a FedEx flight. The miles accrued give our family a chance to get a taste of the "regular" airline life--i.e. travel around the world. The Hoodlum girls that were terrorizing DB and LKF over Christmas all came over on miles...many acquired while I was still an -11 FO.

Not much to say about the WP except that is A) makes me lose faith in those guys and B) makes me lose faith in flight management for not finding a way to nullify the process. (How about: all charters drop into open time at pre-determined and publicly announced time).

Because you insinuated they are minorities...but it's based only on a rumor? So it's racist and without merit.

That's why I called you on it....Jerk:mad:

Thing is Check, he's right. But race of the pilots involved is immaterial. It's their behavior and attitudes that need adjusting!

I'm curious. Is there a new rule prohibiting the posting of rumors? Does posting a rumor make the poster a racist?






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Hate the overuse of the race card as much as anyone but come on, Tony.
The act of posting the rumor isn't what Check was referring to, it was the content of the rumor. i.e. The members, rumored to be minorities, are receiving special treatment in that they aren't being pursued for fear of offending the PC police. That entire rumor hinges on race.
I don't care one way or the other but I think you know that Check isn't referring to the simple posting of a rumor.

So if the rumor is true it would still be racist?

When did minority = race?

It seems to me like some folks are making broad assumptions in accusing people of racism. Is that not racism?






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That is a relevant question. If something is a fact, does it make one racist to state the fact? Or must people bend to political correctness to not appear racist?

However, I think one has to be pretty careful when posting rumors about specific people on a public forum. I'd have to be absolutely certain it were true. Otherwise it's not fair to those incriminated.

I have to wonder about this entire wolfpack issue. Every now and then I look at MD-11 open time just for the heck of it, and sometimes see an international charter. You don't see that on the bus. Unless it's a rare, short charter, it just doesn't exist. I can see how a group of people constantly checking open time, having a good idea of when charters usually drop into the system, clearing their schedule to be available, having PMU often, and picking things up for friends, could end up with some sweet schedules.

Five minutes. If I had access to their button pushes, I could tell you what was going on in five minutes. Seems the company could figure it out in maybe ten minutes, if they wanted to.

Let’s see, cabal of minority marauders poaching mad dog charters before they hit open time & the Co. is too PC to notice?

WolfPack??? The World On Time. Somebody call Dre, the re-birth of rap may be upon us.

Actually, it may be material - not because of the wolfpack members though. It's material if there is unwillingness to discipline them on management's part due to fear of potential accusations of racial bias. In other words, political correctness may be resulting in different management behavior toward different pilots. I would prefer that we all be treated alike.

Pipe

The truth is they were investigated and with ALPA concurrence they were found to have done nothing wrong. No violation of the contract, including digital electronic devices or software. That's the legal part.

We had opportunities to fix this for the last 3 frickin years, but didnt. Didnt even try to. Never came up.

One of the so called WP, was brought in for a hearing, and the company lawyers couldnt find anything that reached to termination. However, he was trading and picking up trips when he was at 350 he got a short period of time off with no pay.

I do believe that bringing up race is ludicrous. IT was more like a squadron mate that BM wouldnt touch. The PC world is alive and well but I think we should stay above that food fight when it comes to heritage/race.

Here's my guess ...
 

I don't like what the WP is doing. I really don't know and don't care what race, sex or prior military service they are!

We've known for years that Management almost always operates on a "Ready ... Fire ... Aim" policy. If they were able to document that these folks were doing anything "illegal" or even unethical (it should be easy to document!), those people would get fired.

Here's my (semi-educated) guess as to how the "system" works.

- I have flown with pilots that admit to paying schedulers for every "overtime" trip that they get assigned.

- I have good friends that admit to meeting schedulers at local MEM "Watering Holes" for Happy Hour. There's probably nothing illegal about buying a friend a round of drinks?

I suppose it's possible that my "friends" are just big talkers (braggers?). It's not "illegal" to do any of these underhanded, back door, under-the-table, low life, back stabbing personal deals.

It is ... UNETHICAL, and it should be stopped.


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So its not a piece of software or a particular methodology that cannot be copied?! What's to stop a different group of guys from conducting a similar operation?

Maybe start a new group. How about we call it Flock of Seagulls?! Who's with me?!!

So why doesn't ALPA let us all in on the secret?

I have talked to two guys who claimed to be part of the WP. Both were white, and at least one was not a Navy pilot. And yeah, ALPA should let us in on whatever the secret was. If it's nothing more than a group of buddies hawking open time and giving each other trips, they should clear that up once and for all.

If ALPA came out with the secrets to how it is being done, everyone would be able to partake, and the open time distribution would go back to being fair.

Right now, with one small group grabbing all the great deals, it is far from fair, and that does not do justice to the crew force.

ALPA is supposed to represent ALL of us, not just the "special" or "over 54" or most senior.

At this point, all these guys are known. Their VIPs activity is known. They know the big eye of the crew force is on them. They know they have to be above board with regards to inside info and software.

I don't know the trick. I've seen many theories. One last year looked pretty good regarding parking specific pmu request on every day of the month, and it even explained the fz status the trips get.

But I don't know if that theory panned out. The guy who posted it is mia. I do know the same guys still get the same type trips. I'm willing to concede they just know when to submit for these trips to the second, and trade amongst themselves. And I don't think that's extra contractural.

There's a frozen charter in MD open time for 11 Mar. Let's see who gets it. Should be assigned to a VTO line holder since they haven't processed those requests yet.

It depends, as far as who gets that charter. If it just got added, it's too late for a VTO holder to request it. It's remotely possible that nobody would get assigned it, if it"s still frozen when the VTOs are built.