CRS - Complete Joke
05-07-2016 | 04:31 PM
#101
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Gets Weekends Off
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From: MD
It's not complicated.
He got worse on the way back.
I do have allergies regularly - every Spring. Sick calls as needed. FAA approved meds are pretty good so it's limited.
Never had anyone before or since like that guy.
I'm not a Doc.
Never said I was.
Remove him from a trip? Simple.
Make a phone call and coordinate it. I'm sure you can figure it out from there.
He got worse on the way back.
I do have allergies regularly - every Spring. Sick calls as needed. FAA approved meds are pretty good so it's limited.
Never had anyone before or since like that guy.
I'm not a Doc.
Never said I was.
Remove him from a trip? Simple.
Make a phone call and coordinate it. I'm sure you can figure it out from there.
05-07-2016 | 04:35 PM
#102
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,064
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From: 767 Captain
Up until CBA 2015, secondary lines and vacation worked exactly opposite of what you stated above. You had to take every day x 6CH up to whatever you had available in your vacation bank. 7 days, 42 CH and the rest up to BLG is trips. No extension, no expansion - 7 days of vacation is just that. The new change you mention below is listed as TBD under implementation date. I've not heard anything from the company or union indicating that has changed. ALPA has been pretty diligent on keeping us appraised of changes as they are implemented. So, how could our "greedy secondary line holders" be doing what you claim (as you make it sound like it's been going on for a while)?
Since your view of our vacation system seems bit myopic, may I suggest you get a little more familiar with it? It might be worthwhile if you understood the ramifications of what you're saying you'd consider for a little more silver in your pocket.
05-07-2016 | 04:38 PM
#103
Line Holder
Joined: Dec 2008
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It's not complicated.
He got worse on the way back.
I do have allergies regularly - every Spring. Sick calls as needed. FAA approved meds are pretty good so it's limited.
Never had anyone before or since like that guy.
I'm not a Doc.
Never said I was.
Remove him from a trip? Simple.
Make a phone call and coordinate it. I'm sure you can figure it out from there.
He got worse on the way back.
I do have allergies regularly - every Spring. Sick calls as needed. FAA approved meds are pretty good so it's limited.
Never had anyone before or since like that guy.
I'm not a Doc.
Never said I was.
Remove him from a trip? Simple.
Make a phone call and coordinate it. I'm sure you can figure it out from there.
05-07-2016 | 04:52 PM
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2006
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Don't mean to pile on golfandfly... I flew for an airline which thanks to ALPA's hard sell on "how awesome it would be", voted in PBS. It DECIMATED our QOL. Absolutely destroyed it, from senior to junior alike. I then flew for another airline which had pilots and flight attendants on line bidding (like we have). Then there was a vote for PBS. FA's went for it, pilots said no way. Well, we saw the absolute destruction of the FA's QOL. We used to fly the whole month together with the same schedule. Them going to PBS and us staying on line bidding was the clearest way to compare and contrast the absolute destruction of QOL that PBS brings to airline schedules (mostly for the mid to very senior). The pain it inflicted was not only on vacation and training months, it was every single month. I hope you're kidding golfandfly, PBS would be far worse for us than the most updated optimizer. Please, wake up and realize how it would destroy our QOL before spreading your point of view on being open to being bought out for PBS.
Last edited by CloudSailor; 05-07-2016 at 05:10 PM.
05-07-2016 | 05:00 PM
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2011
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From: Bus driver
05-07-2016 | 05:07 PM
#106
Organizational Learning
Joined: Nov 2005
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From: Directly behind the combiner
05-07-2016 | 05:24 PM
#107
Organizational Learning
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From: Directly behind the combiner
Are you going to REMOVE the Captain (as GetRealDude claimed he would), or HAVE HIM REMOVED, as in convince someone with the actual authority to do so?
My review of §121.547 doesn't seem to indicate that I, even as the PIC, can remove an operating crew member.
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05-07-2016 | 08:51 PM
#108
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I suspect, as PIC, that you could call security, and get anyone removed, physically, from the airplane. As an FO, you could do that also. However, I can't imagine doing that unless I thought they were inebriated or a security threat.
05-07-2016 | 09:01 PM
#109
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From: 757 Capt
As I said, I prefer our current system.
However, just like anything else, it has a price. Unlike many of you, I've worked under PBS.
If that is United's current system, it isn't a well implemented program. Our current secondary line system is an example of a poorly designed system. Don't get me wrong here, PBS maximizes efficiency for the company. Less pilots required.
Most PBS systems work like this: pairings are built, just like they are now. Pilots (in seniority order) select the pairings they want, the days off they want, cities, TAFB, length of pairings, min blg, max blg, etc. You aren't able to knock out a full month on vacation. You work around your vacation that you could slide. Vacation takes up time from your monthly Blg or you get greedy and don't count it (much like our current secondary line holders).
The company would have no need for secondary lines as this is already worked in the process. This requires quite a few less pilots and is more efficient for the company.
As I've said, I've worked under this system. I've heard these horror stories about it. While I much prefer our current system, I'd listen to an offer. 20% raise? I don't know...
I have more issues with the pairings than anything else. They have really got worse over the last 10 years. PBS doesn't have to effect pairing design...
However, just like anything else, it has a price. Unlike many of you, I've worked under PBS.
If that is United's current system, it isn't a well implemented program. Our current secondary line system is an example of a poorly designed system. Don't get me wrong here, PBS maximizes efficiency for the company. Less pilots required.
Most PBS systems work like this: pairings are built, just like they are now. Pilots (in seniority order) select the pairings they want, the days off they want, cities, TAFB, length of pairings, min blg, max blg, etc. You aren't able to knock out a full month on vacation. You work around your vacation that you could slide. Vacation takes up time from your monthly Blg or you get greedy and don't count it (much like our current secondary line holders).
The company would have no need for secondary lines as this is already worked in the process. This requires quite a few less pilots and is more efficient for the company.
As I've said, I've worked under this system. I've heard these horror stories about it. While I much prefer our current system, I'd listen to an offer. 20% raise? I don't know...
I have more issues with the pairings than anything else. They have really got worse over the last 10 years. PBS doesn't have to effect pairing design...
PBS is the devil's workshop. Don't read another word from this guy.
That's it.
Pipe
05-07-2016 | 11:34 PM
#110
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It can be annoying for sure that adults can't figure out the difference.
Was at a restaurant the other day when one high school graduate asked another (waiter asks waiter) what 36 divided by 2 is. The other said "13...? No- 16" before the first guy had to use the calculator on his cell to figure it out...
Ugh.
Was at a restaurant the other day when one high school graduate asked another (waiter asks waiter) what 36 divided by 2 is. The other said "13...? No- 16" before the first guy had to use the calculator on his cell to figure it out...
Ugh.
PBS would be the worst thing ever.
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