CRS - Complete Joke
 

CRS is an absolute joke when it comes to processing open time, trades, make-up, etc.

Real time trip trading is completely possible ... ALPA? Anyone? Crickets ....

Where is the accountability?
Can CRS just do their job or is it too much to ask.

Completely UNSAT time and time again.

You get what 57% voted for, before you know it's 2020 and you'll get another shot at it. 😏

It's always been that way. Over the years we've had numerous opportunities to fix this when Management needed our help and cooperation.

It doesn't seem like the computer programming would cost very much and it would give us more control over our lives.

I wonder what we'll have to give up to fix this annoyance?


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During our contract negotiations, didn't the union take it off the table because they didn't want to lose priority makeup? We did that to ourselves, apparently, against the wishes of most of the pilots.

You are absolutely correct busdriver12. If I remember clearly, it was straight from the mouth of the NC Chair himself, in one of the videos. That was after the 'overwhelming' majority of pilots polled years ago wanted real time trip trading as a top priority during negotiations.

And an overwhelming majority of pilots want the option to use OTP after declining SUB, which real time trading would eliminate

The obvious step would be to do away with substitution. Even the regional pilots get paid and go home if the company cancels flights, changes gauge, etc.

That would allow real time trip trading.

However doing away with substitution would take a lot more negotiating horsepower and/or the will to use it.

Seems like priority makeup could just pay 125%, forget the priority trading part, and get real time trip trading. I'd bet 99% of people outside of the wolf pack would vote for that.

Exactly.

OTP - open time PREMIUM.
125%. Pick your trip. Time stamp is your only adversary.
No expiration date.

PFS: Pretty Freakin' Simple.

Current book OTP IS DELETED.
CRS system upgrade is easier.
An 8th grader could do it for cheap.

Buy then we'd have to worry about 10 wolf pack members suing ALPA. Maybe that's already in progress?


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Well, there's always something.

But GetRealDude's proposal is so easy and would enhance our lives. And it's what we said we wanted, which apparently was irrelevant.

We've also said we like the ability to decline SUB while electing to have Priority over all other Open Time Makeup\Trade requests.

There are very FEW times when I need to know right this minute whether a BLG has gone through, to be honest can't think of a single occasion-ever. And there are very days of the month where the level of frustration raises to that requiring a post on APC.

Patience is a virtue, and Hope Springs Eternal. As the system sits now, I have a little Hope in my life from time to time. Hope that maybe I won't see that dreaded earlier time stamp submission, and I'd rather get that then never see any Open trips or start feeling the need to check Open Time every free minute of the day.

Not correct. The only "problem" with real time trading, is that according to the NC there will not be a time period where trips are sitting in open time waiting to be assigned. The time delay is preferable to the NC so that those with OTP can pick up trips that others have put in for already. If we have Real time trading, once someone puts in for a trip it will be awarded, so the slop time of trips being assigned will not be there for the OTP guy to take advantage of priority. An OTP guy will still be able to pick up at 125% with real time trading, they will just lose the ability to jump someone if there is no one waiting because trips are immediately assigned.

The idea of waiting so someone can get priority is really just way past its time. OTP can still be useful with "priority" if they just put a 5 min OTP window in the open time window when the next month opens. Then the OTP guys can have their requests in before everyone else and if they miss the 5 min window then they are just like everyone else (except at 125%).

Pizza Time
 

Our new VP has been the AOC by the pizza on Thursdays in Memphis at the night hub turn. He came from Southwest. They have real time trip trading. I was thankful to have the opportunity to have a chance to talk to him about bringing real time trip trading here. I suggest you guys go let him know your opinion on this topic.

Good suggestion.

I wonder if 'they' would allow him to improve our current early 90's Bid Line Adjustments system outside of negotiations and without us giving up something in return for it. It would be a tremendous display toward improving our culture, as seems to be one of his primary and most admirable goals. With our own NC throwing out the possibility of RTTT to keep OTP, I expect this won't truly be revisited until 2021. But, still worth the effort to communicate clearly with him, as he genuinely seems to have a real interest in improving QOL issues for the line pilot.

And if we do get RTTT, the same people will be back complaining, "I got taken off a great trip and put in sub and now all I can get in open time is 3 leg am out-and-backs. Why did we give up OTP for RTTT?"

we need to do away with sub. If trip cancels you get paid. Just like at other airlines.

NEVER going to happen. 57% of the guys probably think it's good the way it is. Just ask Albie, FDXLAG and ROCK. We have an industry leading contract.

Another idiot that thinks voting no would have gotten him his personal provision into the next contract. This wasn't on the table. I wish it were but it wasn't.

Quit being a tool. You whine more than anyone else on this forum and now you call someone an idiot for wanting to make changes to the contract..

Yep. If everyone would read the thread, they would see that our negotiating committee took it off the table.

We have the no voters simpering because they didn't get their way six months later and I am whining. You don't know the definition of the word.

Really?
 

So you are whining or was that supposed to be a question? How would you know if he was "simpering?" Can you see him/her? Who's the idiot?

The vote is over, you lost, life goes on.

They just didn't want to do little creative thinking and gave up.

If OTP was the big show stopper, there were definitely ways to make both options possible. Assuming the guy with OTP actually wants trips, then he puts in a request for trips (even dictates some specific criteria for what he might want), just like any general M/U request. But, obviously his request gets priority. The idea that he's going to wait around until something actually shows in OT to act is ridiculous. He either wants a trip or he doesn't. He puts in when and what he wants and he's done.

Now (assuming we had RTTT) when something pops into OT that meets his or anyone else's OTP request, they automatically get it based on time stamp of their request? seniority? I don't know? Whatever is in the rules.

If the trip doesn't meet any existing OTP requests in the system, then it's a standard food fight for that and any other trip in OT except in real time - not "when I get around to it" CRS time.

How hard would that have been?

Whose contract would you rather have? If they are hiring (they probably are) you should go there.

That is very progressive of you FDXLAG. So anyone who has a different opinion of our contract than you is an idiot. Got it.

"Lost"? I didn't realize a contract was winning or losing among pilots.

An idiot, dolt, dullard or (archaically) mome is a person perceived to be lacking intelligence, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.

If you think voting no would have gotten us real time trip trading you meet the self-defeating definition threshold. It was not on the table.

With each subsequent post, you prove what a true piece of work you are.

And come on, let me have it!

And this started with him calling me out for something in the contract that wasn't on the table. Once again he wanted the fight. But you are a real piece of work for butting in. Again.

:confused: So, Delta voted down their TA. Does that mean that anything that wasn't "on the table" and still being considered when the first TA was sent out can't be put back on?

RTTT certainly was on the table originally. The NC let it get taken off the table (actually they took it off themselves). "OTP made it too hard - we give up".

A "No" vote certainly could have forced them to put it back on. Just like anything else that was found lacking in the TA. That's the whole point of membership ratification - if it's voted down, you fix it. Obviously that ship has sailed.

Voting for it sure didn't get it for us.

How's that working so far.....

Back on topic ladies ...

This is not about a yes or no vote. This is about an amendment or LOA (simple language and programming) coming into modern times.

If trip canceled (many reasons), trip paid like other airlines - regionals and majors. No OTP required knuckleheads. I like it!

If that's not possible, then OTP is simply premium pay. This is not a major occurrence. Very few pilots (percentage) are in SUB or OTP at any point during a bid month.

Thousands of us are trying to drop, trade, make-up, AVA, etc. Name your choice. Flexibility, adjustability, modifications, etc make this job tolerable.

CRS is operating on archaic principles and programming capabilities (embarrassing for a "tech company") -- further complicated by the small percentage of OTP eligible pilots.

It's not about yes or no votes.
It's about a minor modification that benefits the vast majority of pilots.

As I said before, OTP would become Open Time Premium. Pick your trip, no expiration, 125%.

Most would probably prefer full trip pay if dropped into SUB. I like this the best. The naysayers think it's not possible.

Either option is easily accomplished. We're not talking about bumping the A fund ...

[QUOTE=FDXLAG;2122591]An idiot, dolt, dullard or (archaically) mome is a person perceived to be lacking intelligence, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.

Over 7,000 posts. Get a life or get a wife. But there's got to be more than living your life on this forum. :rolleyes:

5 Posts in three days, take your own advice. Or how many screen names do you have?

Yeahhhhh.... that ain't happenin'. I'd barely believe an act of God would produce such a change with the ink drying on POS 2015 - by LOA is a pipe dream.

The company has ZERO incentive to suddenly decide to pay us for cancelled trips outside contract negotiations. Pointing at the scheduling models of passenger airlines and saying "well, they do it" isn't going to change that.

The company is very, very good at making significant changes to our contract that produce the results they desire. They pay very smart people to outthink us and it works. They're not going to LOA pay for cancelled trips just 'cuz we're a great bunch of guys. Talking with some very smart almost retirees on my last trip made me even more aware of this. The retirement bonus language is genius. The bonus is based on the lesser of:
$110,000
50% of earnings above $520,000 (last 24 months)
50% of closing DSA bank balance

With a few paragraphs, they completely removed any incentive for guys to empty their sick bank prior to retirement. In fact, if a retiring pilot wants the smallest number to be the $110,000 max amount, not only can they not call in sick very much (if at all - depending on pay rate), they need to work a pretty full schedule for the last two years before they retire so they make at least $740K over the last 24 months. Min sick and max productivity before they head off into the sunset.

Hmm, only a few posts trying to stir up trouble. We've had a lot of trolls on here, probably mostly related to Giggity Goo.

Didn't Delta just announce huge profits. I guess if they had voted for their TA they wouldn't be seeing much of a profit sharing check would they?