After being here 20 years, I don't trust this pilot force to vote for or against anything.

Should we wait until 2021 before we inspect the company's books on the A Plan?

We are not in negotiations. Why should the company give us something better than we already have?

They can say "see you in 2021".

There is no reason for them to agree to an LOA unless it is to their advantage.

No we should have inspected them 5 years ago. Just another example of how dysfunctional we are. The last thing we should do is negotiate another POS LOA.

So if there is no reason for them to agree to a LOA unless it is to their advantage, and no reason for us to agree to an LOA unless it's also to our advantage...why would they think we'd even discuss it?

Unless they believe there is an option that benefits both sides, which potentially there could be. Our stagnant pension is worth less every year to us, yet costs them more every year. I would hope both the union and company could see a win/win scenario, otherwise it is a waste of time and money.

I am with you, I said something similar in 2006 but I was assured our A Plan was overfunded nothing to see here move along. Now that they want a peak at the books we are outraged. OK.

Because we just did.

Well, apparently 57% of pilots disagreed with you.

And out of the other 43%, I'd bet it would be hard to find one who thinks our new contract was actually worse than what we had. So far I have yet to experience one negative aspect of the contract, yet my paycheck looks a lot better. No doubt I'll come up with something negative, but from just one person's standpoint, the bad things I worried about have not been realized yet. I'm sure that we could have held out and done better, but I can't pretend that the new contract was actually worse.

"You would have to come up with something that benefits both the old and young, so it is fair to both age groups. Don't screw the young to help the old, and don't do the reverse either."

Are we talking Age 65 or retirement? :)

That is a huge question. Right now, you can get your "high five" and coast til 25 years of service and retire with full A fund retirement. Plus, people like the option of retiring a little early (58, 59) with minimal impact to A fund retirement. What formula are they gonna use? Working your tail off to 65 with a higher B fund??