TonyC

You of all people should know I'm not in the business of defending this CBA, but the Bribe, err, Bonus Amounts have nothing to do with the lawsuit. To imply otherwise is irresponsible. It is the antithesis of truth.






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HIFLYR

Actually I thought during the sales job oh I mean roadshow the elected reps stated a percentage of the signing bonus was going to be withheld in case of lawsuits.

busdriver12

I believe that was for lawsuits about the bonus distribution (ie people who weren't getting the full amount, as determined by the union), not for complaints about being misled.

Adlerdriver

IMO, if that's really your opinion of the complaint, then you either didn't read it or didn't understand what you read.

You certainly don't have to support or agree with their efforts. However, I seriously doubt anyone who takes the time to read the complaint can call it frivolous. When the information being used to sell us the contract was proven to be false and misleading and the salesmen chose to continue to use it anyway, that's hardly a frivolous matter.

busdriver12

Hey now, you quoted me before I revised it to make it nicer, that's not fair play.

Look, I think people can make up their own minds. There were plenty of union reps that were against it. We have the ability to read and make our own decisions. Pilots are pretty hard to convince of anything. And I don't think that suing the union (which is...us, right? And pilots from other carriers) is even rational.

Adlerdriver

Sorry - didn't notice the change until you pointed it out.

If all everyone read was the TA, using that to form their sole opinion for their vote, I would agree with you. I think we would have voted it down.

Reality is something different and we both know there was a population of lemmings that didn't scrutinize the TA, took the recommendation of the MEC and voted yes. There was also a large number of informed "yes" voters that read it and supplemented their evaluation with the big picture data being offered via roadshow and on-line. The fact that these two groups were presented inaccurate information is a big problem.

I've never been part of TA evaluation and vote that required me to consider the merits of the TA as well as attempt to determine if the data being provided by my own union was accurate. Normally that's not in question. It's hard enough to find the potential loopholes and areas open to exploitation or wide interpretation that might benefit the company. We're also supposed to cast the same wary eye on what's coming from our side as well?

I don't know if this lawsuit is the best course of action, but there needs to be accountability. Simply recalling those involved (most are gone already anyway) isn't going to accomplish that.

kronan

TonyC,
Yes voters, no voters, we should all be defenders of the CBA...CRS takes advantage of too many people as it is.

And Hiflyr, a portion of the bonus was withheld for challenges as to how it was computed, ie the folks on LTD or other issues.

The Valdez lawsuit has nothing to do with that 5%

Flightmech

And there it is right there....nail hit squarely on head.

SlvShpDrvr

Haven't read every post on this one, and rarely comment. In fact, I don't usually read all the ALPA emails either. MD11 Flyer, my condolences. Focus on life and family, and ignore those that apparently lack one. Peace out and flame away. I won't be here to read em anyway. Just wanted to address the complete lack of class for absolutely no apparent reason.