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MaxKts 07-07-2016 12:52 PM

I am so glad I will retire soon! ;)

busdriver12 07-07-2016 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 2157631)
That seems like a fine strategy until you are in the market for post-retirement life insurance or healthcare insurance and you get to that question on the application, "How many times have you visited a doctor in the past year?" They won't care if the visits are for real health problems or for untethered Assistant Chief Pilot problems -- they just want the number, and it may affect your eligibility and/or rates.

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Seeing as I plan on keeping company insurance after I retire, I suspect it will be fine. And since I rarely get asked for a letter, it is probably inconsequential. My desire to not be harassed is greater than my desire not to occasionally visit my doctor unnecessarily.

switch monkey 07-07-2016 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 2157482)
I can't call in sick anymore. And, I won't use any vacation my last year at FDX. I'm trying to build up my sick bank so that I can get the full "End of Career Sick Leave Buy Back" money. I'll receive that, the vacation buyback and the 12 month retirement notice bonus money.

That way, when I retire, I can delay my "Benefit Commencement Date" for almost a year. That, will increase my A-plan benefit, which will help make up for not negotiating an increase in the A-Plan in the contract. I learned all this at one of our retirement seminars. Awesome!!:rolleyes:

Sorry, if you catch something from me.

This actually isn't funny. This very thing happened to me almost a year ago. I got sick after the trip and got my wife and 2 of my kids sick. Was down for almost a week with a terrible cold. I'll never fly with a sick person again. Just sad when I have to draw that line. You'd expect a little more from a professional.

Zpig 07-07-2016 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by angry tanker (Post 2157219)
So, let me get this straight...the worst case is they drop the trip without pay for doing nothing??? Sounds like a win to me

From SCP's note on PFC:

A pilot will have 10 business days to provide the required documentation. If the documentation is not received by the deadline, the pilot's absence may be re-coded from SCK to DRP without pay and without makeup eligibility.

What does "without makeup eligibility" mean?

MaxKts 07-07-2016 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Zpig (Post 2157729)
From SCP's note on PFC:

A pilot will have 10 business days to provide the required documentation. If the documentation is not received by the deadline, the pilot's absence may be re-coded from SCK to DRP without pay and without makeup eligibility.

What does "without makeup eligibility" mean?

It means the hours will not go into your makeup bank!

olly 07-10-2016 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 2157639)
Maybe it's a win if your lender allows you to skip mortgage payments or make partial mortgage payments for the months you are sick.

What it amounts to is allowing a management pilot, not a doctor, to make a decision to deprive you of your negotiated contractual benefit to be paid on a day you are sick.

What I fear most is pilots using the third method to meet the sick note requirement, the "discussing it with the SCP designee who may conclude the sick note is no longer necessary" method. Heaven only knows what that guy's expertise in medicine and health care is, what his standards will be, whether his decisions will be fair and consistent across the board, just to name a few of the myriad of reasons why it should be a doctor, not a management pilot, making the confirmation that the pilot was sick. This SCP designee will ultimately be given the authority to determine if the pilot was fit to fly, and therefore the Sick is replaced by a Drop, or if he was NOT fit to fly, and therefore let the Sick stand. In the eyes of the FAA, this fitness determination is only to be made by the pilot himself, the guy who called in sick. Finally, the pilot pleading his case before this designated arbiter will be inclined if not pressured to reveal details about his personal health information that are presently protected by HIPAA law. We should have no procedure that puts a pilot in this position.






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There seem to be procedures for the company that violate HIPPA. I do not think a cba or LOA can supersede federal law, even if we gave it up/waived it in this settlement. Something for the lawyers to rule on. If one does not want to divulge their personal condition/health to a company administrator HIPPA should protect that, and FAA order 8900 states that a pilot is "solely" responsible for determining his fitness to fly.

TonyC 07-10-2016 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by olly (Post 2159533)

There seem to be procedures for the company that violate HIPPA. I do not think a cba or LOA can supersede federal law, even if we gave it up/waived it in this settlement. Something for the lawyers to rule on. If one does not want to divulge their personal condition/health to a company administrator HIPPA should protect that, and FAA order 8900 states that a pilot is "solely" responsible for determining his fitness to fly.


The tricky part is that the "discussing it with the SCP designee" route doesn't require the pilot to divulge their personal condition/health to him. It will only place the pilot in a situation where he/she will be inclined to divulge their personal condition/health. Let's say the pilot was sick, and he didn't visit a doctor, and he doesn't want to endure the hassle of dealing with the "Company doc," so he decides to just call the SCP designee and explain that he suffered a bout of diarrhea right before show time and didn't want to chance a repeat performance in the air. The Company didn't violate HIPPA if the pilot volunteered the information, but the pilot shouldn't be in the habit of volunteering that type of information. The next time it's a cold, and the "SCP designee" gives the pilot the thumbs up, and the time after that it's something else the pilot doesn't mind sharing. Then it's something more embarrassing that he doesn't want to share, so he doesn't. The SCP designee notes the pilot volunteered his health condition the last three times, but now the pilot is singing a different tune, and he elects to change the SICK to a DROP without Makeup. What's the pilot's recourse?

No HIPPA violation, just a chatty Kathy pilot who is now short some bucks in his paycheck.






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busdriver12 07-10-2016 09:54 PM

I think if the SCP designee wants to get into a discussion about one's illness, we should all just go into a detailed explanation of problems with our lady parts (whether we have them or not, who's to know?);)

Busboy 07-10-2016 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2159551)
I think if the SCP designee wants to get into a discussion about one's illness, we should all just go into a detailed explanation of problems with our lady parts (whether we have them or not, who's to know?);)

Although I am quite familiar with "lady parts"...I don't actually know the proper names for them. So, I think it would be better if I just stick with diarrhea.

TonyC 07-11-2016 12:18 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 2159562)

Although I am quite familiar with "lady parts"...I don't actually know the proper names for them.


So you missed that episode of Seinfeld, did ya? :D

The Junior Mint






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