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busdriver12 07-11-2016 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 2159562)
Although I am quite familiar with "lady parts"...I don't actually know the proper names for them. So, I think it would be better if I just stick with diarrhea.

Two words for you. Urban Dictionary:

"Top Definition

lady parts
Conspicuous parts of a woman's anatomy. Adding the conjunction "in" implies deliberate touching of said parts.
This place is hella crowded; people keep bumping against my lady parts.

Nick is so annoying, he's always trying to touch me in my lady parts.

The motorcycle ride was fun but my lady parts are aching."

The Junior Mint was one of the best episodes of Seinfeld, and it sounds like you could learn a lot from it:D

BigWatchPilot 07-19-2016 05:27 AM

15.D:

Harvey Watt has the designated Doctor, former head FAA Aeromedical Doc. An administrator calls and tells you to provide ALL medical documents from your doctors for review. EVERYTHING...then they go fishing. When HW was asked what specifically they need or what they are looking for they say "we don't know FedEx has not given anything specific"...

ALPA attorney is real quick to let you know 1) You better not get your own attorney, 2) They advise you just cooperate and not ask the company for anything in writing...we don't like to upset them 3) You get no guidance on what you are required to do vs volunteer.

And don't expect an ALPA rep to attend the meeting with you they will promise you that its not that big a deal, its a formality, just be honest...its a witch hunt, you are already guilty walking into the room. You are expected to explain your PRIVATE medical history...doctors notes mean dick to them. As Tony said...they expect you to be a 'Chatty Kathy' and if you don't then you are being difficult and they get threatening real quick. You are on your own.

ALPA Aeromedical will review your medial history and let you know what to expect but thats about it. Then you sit at home waiting and get NO info from anyone until CRS calls and tells you are assigned a trip out of the blue. Assuming they find nothing.

The funny thing about 15.D is the catch 22...you are called in for being sick and they think you are abusing the system and unprofessional. The company then puts you on NOQ during a 'staffing crisis' because they question if you are fit to fly (I hope you have a good aeromedical guy willing to get in a ****ing match and fight for you). They use the premiss of fit to fly to have a 3rd party Doctor review all of your medial history (send us everything from the last 18 months) to see if your sick calls were legit. So am I not fit to fly or scamming the system...what is it?

You need to stay positive and TRY and look at it as paid vacation and you will prevail. Ultimately you have a few very incompetent managers in this and they are wasting everyones time. But they hope the intimidation factor changes your health.



Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 2157387)
I suspect that a CBA 15.D medical exam will be with a Company designated doctor with the results going directly to Harvey Watt for their medical expertise (you may not even get a copy of the results). Are 15.D exams paid for by Management (I think they get billed directly to FedEx?).

You shouldn't even have to provide insurance information?

Also ... if you get sent for a 15.D medical exam aren't you supposed to be removed from your trip by Management (RMG) and PAID for said trip?

If you do not live in domicile does the Company have to pay for a hotel and rental car?

All of this seems like a LOT of trouble and expense for a cold!*? So much for FUEL SENSE?


:confused:


kronan 07-19-2016 07:43 AM

??Dolores???

Nightflyer 07-19-2016 03:10 PM

I wonder why this does not fall under "hostile work environment rules"?

MaydayMark 07-19-2016 04:14 PM

Several thoughts ...

#1. (Most important thought) Do the FAR's say I'm not fit for duty when I know I'm sick? If the answer is yes then why can't I ask Management to call the FAA when they want more information about my illness? I'll be glad to discuss it with the FAA. Would the FAA tolerate this nonsense?

#2. Concerning BWP's Contract Section 15.D discussion ... I'm not sure anything he said was correct? When I got called in to discuss an FOM issue with Management, ALPA Legal was glad to accompany me. They explained in detail what to expect. During my subsequent 15.D status I was removed from all flights and paid in an MGT (removed by Management) status. Harvey Watt then arranged 5 medical appointments over the next 4 months. All medical bills were sent directly to Harvey Watt for payment.

The Harvey Watt doctors appear to be Contract AMEs located in their personal offices around the country. They seem to change frequently, I was assigned different doctors located in different cities. Interestingly, when the Harvey Watt doc gave Management the "wrong" answer (not the answer they wanted), I was mysteriously assigned a different doctor (is Management practicing medicine without a license?).

The FAA later investigated the FOM compliance issue and sent me a letter stating that they'd found "NO VIOLATION OF REGULATIONS."

#3. Dolores? My opinion ... she's one of the more "reasonable" Managers in the MEM "brother-in-law cubicle club" but that doesn't make any of this reasonable. I really like Dolores but I don't think I want to discuss my medical history with her.

#4. Really? Are we really having this discussion? If Management wants us to act like Professionals, then please treat us like professionals!*? Is that so much to ask?

At a previous airline when Management started making unreasonable demands we'd add extra gas and fly around with the speed brakes extended. The Airline would usually notice our displeasure almost immediately and the problem would "magically" get negotiated to a satisfactory conclusion with the Union.


:eek:

kronan 07-19-2016 05:42 PM

Dude,
Dolores was a Seinfeld comment
😬

urinmyseat 07-19-2016 06:21 PM

ASAP
 
I think if I ever get a request for a sick note, that isn't mentioned as required in the CBA, I will comply. Then I will fill out an ASAP report. I will mention pilot pushing in the report. We are required to report safety issues, and this is a big one!

Imagine what the feds would think about a rash of ASAP reports involving pilot pushing.

BigWatchPilot 07-20-2016 07:01 AM

You had a different experience it does not change these facts. I have no motivation to make this up but inform others of what is going on. You don't know me so I wouldn't expect you to be sure anything I said was correct and I didn't ask for validation.



Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 2164150)
Several thoughts ...

#2. Concerning BWP's Contract Section 15.D discussion ... I'm not sure anything he said was correct? When I got called in to discuss an FOM issue with Management, ALPA Legal was glad to accompany me. They explained in detail what to expect. During my subsequent 15.D status I was removed from all flights and paid in an MGT (removed by Management) status. Harvey Watt then arranged 5 medical appointments over the next 4 months. All medical bills were sent directly to Harvey Watt for payment.

:eek:


Pilot7576 07-22-2016 08:47 PM

Do you guys have to get doctor's notes for all your sick calls or just ones that score a certain way in the mgmnt matrix?

busdriver12 07-23-2016 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Pilot7576 (Post 2166376)
Do you guys have to get doctor's notes for all your sick calls or just ones that score a certain way in the mgmnt matrix?

We used to need a sick note for sick in conjunction with vacation, a major holiday, or something that triggered the matrix. I'm not sure how this agreement changes anything, but I haven't had to provide a note for years.


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