If you have deviated on a front end deadhead and they cancel your trip and put you in sub how do you get to mem? Do you keep bank from trip and buy a ticket to mem?

 

You keep the bank.

 

Had you done your final deviation? If so, you are on a trip and they have to revise it. If you had only done your initial,
8,C.1.f.ii
If a pilot’s trip is revised after his initial deviation check-in and,
as a result, the pilot is unable to report on time, the Company
shall make best efforts to reposition the pilot for the trip. If
the Company is unable to do so, the pilot shall be eligible for
substitution and is authorized return deadhead transportation
to base. The cost of the original deadhead tickets shall be
deducted from the pilot’s deviation bank, however, the cost
of the deviation ticket used, and the cost of his return ticket,
shall be allowable as a claim, up to the applicable fare (as
determined in accordance with Section 8.C.2.a.) for the original
deadhead tickets, regardless of the pilot’s deviation bank
balance. Such claim shall be specifically documented on a
deviation expense report.

 

You aren't saying you are going to Memphis to pull your sub window, I hope.

You keep the deviation bank no matter what. You can use that ticket money for whatever you need, that month. Get to Memphis however you like, but you sure don't need to show up in Memphis if you're just in sub status. I personally just hope they don't assign me a sub trip, but if they do, I then make my choice whether to keep the trip or not.

 

Or choose OTP and decline SUB,
regardless you keep the bank

 

Not true. If you decline SUB, you lose the bank.

 

Here is the reference:

i. The value of a given bid period’s deviation bank shall be equal to the value of:

(a) the applicable fare(s) for the scheduled commercial deadhead ticket(s) for all trips flown during that bid period; and

(b) the value of the applicable fare(s) for the scheduled commercial deadhead ticket(s) for recurrent training scheduled during that bid period (if any).

If you fulfill your sub, you are considered to have flown the trip. If you decline sub, you haven't flown the trip. I have had this happen to me.

 

Pineseeker -

When did this happen to you?

I've declined sub many times, and ALWAYS have retained the bank; thus, I support Kronans statement

HOWEVER, I'll admit I haven't done this under the new Nov 2015 CBA, so I wanted to see the reference again

The reference you just posted is from section 8.C.2.a

I cross checked this against the same paragraph in the Oct 2006 CBA

Indeed, the old verbiage "However, if a deadhead trip is changed or canceled by the company, the deadhead bank monies remain intact"

I believe this verbiage was the justification for past practice, and Kronans statement

It appears this section was reformatted in many ways

Someone Please, please tell me similar verbiage is now written somewhere else and we are afforded the same "bank protection" we've always enjoyed

Please don't tell me this is something we gave away during our last round of negotiations

 

It was probably part of the "tighten up the language" program.

When we went from FPA to ALPA, they promised us better lawyers.

That doesn't seem to be the case.

It seems like every time the language changes, it is to the benefit of the company.

 

Lax,

It has been several years, before contract 2015. I thought the same thing you did. I declined a sub trip and my bank for that trip went away. I called the company and contract enforcement. I was referred to the line I quoted above. It was in the 2011 as was the line you quoted. Both the company and contract enforcement told me that yes, you keep the bank for being put in sub, but if you decline sub, you have given up the trip. They equated it to dropping a trip, so you lose the bank.

That's my experience. YMMV.