captjns

Your VP of Ops may have said to your face “We don’t want retired 121 guys”. But facts are facts. There comes a point where the officers, management and board of directors get a wee bit miffed when they see their jets sitting on the ground with no crews to fly them. You VP of Ops may have expressed his/her concern(s) as he deemed appropriate. But at the end of the day, the VP of Ops performs his/her duties at the behest of management. At the end of the day, management personnel, including those how are members of the 119 group are replaceable, when requests of the powers that be are not followed.

Anyway, I know of a couple of chaps who recently reached that magic age at their pro union 121 carriers are flying for your operation.

Blutarsky

At this point attrition is so high they are taking everyone who passes the sim eval. Even then, people are leaving faster than they can fill the classes.

captjns

Not tho I have a dog in this fight... what’s the deal?

FNGFO

It’s a ****** outfit. Rolling rest, vindictive management, shoddy maintenance, split payscales, no honoring of seniority and a determination to play in the gray areas. And that’s before they decert their union.

Most guys don’t finish indoc when they realize the bait and switch of “...oh, btw, you’ll be in the Phenom or Lear right seat for the next decade, and not that Challenger was promised you.” Some just don’t bother finishing OE once they realize that min rest, 5-6 legs a day and airport rot are on deck on the few days they don’t bump up against flight duty limits.

Add into that the vastly higher workload of a fractional when compared to a 121 operator and it’s no longer a desirable place to hang your hat unless you worship at the Ricci alter, have the golden handcuffs on or are just trying to ride out your last few years until retirement.

Frankly, it’s like a slap in the face of veteran 121 pilots to hit the fracs, and after training a number of them I’d say 3 out of 5 are a massive burden on their partner. It’s not easy to just turn left for 30 years, and then have to deal out true customer service and become a jack of all trades with the flip of a switch.

Lastly, FJ is not propilot’s “outfit”. He got out as most everyone who can is, and he had check authority over there before moving on to a major. You should probably listen to him when he tells you about FJ.

Fredturbo

I saw in one of the leaders videos that he said, “This is my company.” I don’t care who you are, that to me, says it all.

Propilot77

Like FNGFO said not my circus not my monkeys anymore. I'm just trying to help someone from career suicide if you want to go, go right ahead. I myself don't take issue at all with 121 guys but they can't keep up with the "required pace" I have seen it time and time again.

Blutarsky

Give it about five more hours and you'll know if this place is a career or a decert dumpster fire.

FLYLOW22

Time to get out boys.

You don’t want to have Flex on your resume after this vote.




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AirBear

318 in favor of Decert; 220 against, 571 pilots total eligible to vote. I hope all that voted for decert understand they'll have to become prostitutes. Never call in fatigued regardless of how tired you are, never write up something that will ground the jet unless you get permission from management, and be prepared to not have any firm days off. They're very short pilots, to the point of sending out postcards to random pilots and it's not likely to get better with no union.

David Puddy

Plenty of airlines are hiring frax pilots including SWA, Spirit and JB...