Well, hate to burst your bubble, but I’m not Frac Monkey. I’ve actually never been part of a forum in my 15 years of professional flying, because I truly believe it is a waste of time. However, I just couldn’t stand by on this one and listen to a bunch of cry babies saying things that are just frankly, untrue. Example, using the word SCAB...do you all even know what a scab is? There was no picket line here, it was a vote. At least educate yourselves on the meaning of words before you go spewing non sense. Secondly, why do any outsiders even care about what LXJ does??? News flash, it won’t effect you! Third, do you really think the unions are the reason the airlines are paying well/401k/etc?!?? The answer is no, it has nothing to do with them. It’s called the economy for one and the leverage pilots hold with the ever so feared pilot shortage. If the unions weren’t there, the airlines would be forced to do what they’re doing now anyway! The unity word is the funniest part 😂 REALLY??? You think for a second someone wouldn’t turn on unity if offered a major position with major compensation out of seniority because their company believes in them and wants to reward them for their effort...if you believe this person would think of UNITY at the time of the offer, quite honestly, you’re a moron. Finally, the blacklist threats, now this is a complete pot of BS. I can’t even try to explain how dumb this is, it makes me feel dumb to just think of the statement. Do you really think anyone actually believes this or even gives a ****? Even if it was true...Oh no, I can’t go work for an airline that will just tank again at the next low in the economy, where the union you all love will say we must take paycuts to save the airline....same song and dance as it’s always been. Enjoy your unity.

Wow, as someone looking in from the outside I can't believe what I am reading here.

I have no dog in the fight as I fly in Europe.

However, it seems incredibly short sighted to me to get rid of a recognized union especially in a company such as Flex.

Those who say to "man up" and deal with the employer one-on one and deal with furloughs and redundancies out of seniority "like a man". cannot be serious. In a big company a union is the only way to achieve some kind of "balance of powers". One man is just too easily played against the other and does not normally have enough knowledge and resources to defend himself effectively if treated unfairly.

Unity is a powerful thing.

Are there ineffective or irresponsible unions out there? No doubt about it. If a group feels that they are not being properly represented by their union then the answer should be to change out the union leadership team and if all else fails maybe get a different union (possibly in house?) on property. No union is not the answer, of that I am sure.

I speak as someone who is pretty good at what he does and has done very well in merit based environments (including a position in management) but is much more comfortable in a union enforced seniority environment. Not because seniority is perfect but because it's better than no seniority. I also don't buy that seniority means that low performers should be allowed to progress. Seniority determines when it is your turn to prove yourself (in the left set, in a new type etc) but it's up to the company to set the bar as high as they want and up to the individual to meet the required standards. The union ensures that the bar is the same height for everyone. That's how it should be in my opinion.

Greetings from a unionized fractional pilot from across the pond.

You’re absolutely, completely and utterly full of BS. This is a damage control account started by a decert fool, and you girls are terrible at this game.

Where a person is currently employed has no bearing on the discussion. “You don’t work here” is the cop out of the weak minded. Either a person is right or wrong.

The airlines are paying through the nose because of the pilot shortage that they helped create after kicking the can down the road on retirements. Here’s what you fail to acknowledge. Those unions that are your personal boogie man have set the floor on what the airlines can offer. They’d love to keep you in a motel 8, pay you paltry wages, have indefinite schedules spending 6-9 days on the road with little time off, and maybe throw you some pittance of a retirement plan with minimal matching. Much like FJ’s management.

And if they had to deal with you individually they’d do just that. But they can’t. Not with a union.

We get it. You were furloughed and had to do it all yourself fomenting some grandiose belief in not needing a union. A story remarkably similar to the one shared by the poster you claim to not be. Likely you came back to work with furlough protections negotiated for you by a....union.

If you found some little corporate nirvana that isn’t organized then good for you. That place isn’t FJ, and it isn’t indicative of how aviation managers operate. The aviation world is chock full or Frank Lorenzo’s and Kenn Ricci’s. Only a fool deals with these type of men on their own. Only a fool thinks they can advance themselves under these men in a meritocracy. You advance yourself under Ricci by flying fatigued, flying broken planes, flying without regard for the rules and by doing all that while stepping on the backs of those you share a flightdeck with. It’s a good old boys club filled with not so good old boys.

As for the libtard/snowflake political BS. Shove it. It’s cute that you’ve jumped on the Facebook political meme flavor of the day in the course of your rant. It has no bearing on reality, and is just more hot air from you.

Dude...

SmarterThanYou isn’t a pilot. No way.

Trolls.


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He might even be a bar owner...they’re usually trolls. :D

We could definitely use more beer here and less keyboard.




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You've got to love this galactic ignorance combined with the blind and ironic arrogance of this clown's monicker.

Sure, Delta would pay Captain's over $300/hour with some reportedly earning $900K this year and unilaterally agree to protections, work rules and benefits enumerated in 507 pages of text even if pilots were independent contractors. And ignore those airlines like jetBlue, Westjet, et al that fought to prevent unions from getting on their property. Thou doth protest to much.

Go back and report that your efforts to defend corporate interests were a complete failure on APC and change your name to a more appropriate, dumberthanyou. I doubt it, but I can only hope you actually are a Flexjet pilot so you can get the education you so richly deserve about the value of a pilot union.

This!!!....,.

Hahahaha, such fools! Go pay your dues!

Sorry bud, but that is just a load or horse SH**. It's getting so bad that CAE instructors are failing guys....let that sink in. They have NO dog in the fight. Can't cut the mustard? ..."the evil company is out to get me!!!"