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AirBear 05-30-2018 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by howardhughes8 (Post 2605693)
What was final count?

318 to 220, 571 eligible to vote.

howardhughes8 05-30-2018 05:51 PM

Wow, not even close!!!

Mikec 05-30-2018 06:33 PM

318 to 220
551 Eligible
541 Voted

JohnBurke 05-30-2018 09:18 PM

The majority spoke, which is the point of a vote, is it not? Because the majority of the pilots made a decision, they've been declared "tools." Interesting that the minority, having failed to achieve their wish, condemn the majority decision.

FNGFO 05-30-2018 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2605812)
The majority spoke, which is the point of a vote, is it not? Because the majority of the pilots made a decision, they've been declared "tools." Interesting that the minority, having failed to achieve their wish, condemn the majority decision.

No, the majority voted IBT1108 or voted with their feet to get out.

The tools won their battle and lost the war. FJ pilots took it in the shorts with seniority just minutes after the vote when longevity was awarded to the transfers who took big metal out of seniority.

The see I told you so’s will be served up hot and fresh for years to come for the dopes who believe in Saint Ricci of the Rustbelt.

Route66 05-31-2018 03:17 AM

Well, so far so good for Flexjet pilots:
1. Reinstate longevity for transfer pilots
2. Increase First Officer compensation for better retention
3. Increase Phenom compensation
4. Increase voluntary overtime compensation as we focus on hiring
5. Reinstate individual employment agreements

Doesn’t sound bad to me. Guess you’ll just have to see how the year turns out.

Speed brake 05-31-2018 03:27 AM

Bait and switch
 
That’s called the carrot before the stick Capt short sight! You are obviously one of the 318 tools who put this pilot group in this unusual attitude we cannot recover from! Nice job! You very well may live to regret your decision to crash and burn this place! If so, you better become a FOK if your not already! It’s your only parachute to surviving this dive!

FNGFO 05-31-2018 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 2605862)
Well, so far so good for Flexjet pilots:
1. Reinstate longevity for transfer pilots
2. Increase First Officer compensation for better retention
3. Increase Phenom compensation
4. Increase voluntary overtime compensation as we focus on hiring
5. Reinstate individual employment agreements

Doesn’t sound bad to me. Guess you’ll just have to see how the year turns out.

1. Longevity benefits the transfers who took big metal out of seniority. It screws the FJ pilots to the tune of about 100 spots in seniority.

2. Wow, even you can make mid $70k working your a$$ of on an 8/6 schedule in the Ricci sweat shop. You realize that even the lowest paid ULCC’s are making $100k+ by year 2 with far better QOL, retirement, medical and benefits and far less work than the right seat of a Phenom or Lear right?

3. Yay. More money to be crammed into a Phenis Lego Jet.

4. Voluntary OT. The mythical Ricci rabbit. It’s all involuntary. You’re already on the road 17-19 days a month.

5. You mean those pieces of paper your V.P. of Red Label loudly proclaimed to be not worth the paper they were written on, but you better sign or else?

Your pilots got bent over in the first 30 minutes after the vote, and there will be no retention or hiring. You have 20+ uncrewed planes a day, can’t get guys to finish indoc or OE once they realize they’ll be in a Phenom for a decade instead of a Challenger, and have another 150-200 ready to march out the door in the next 18 months. FJ is a dead man walking, and youre whistling past the graveyard to believe otherwise.

mainlineAF 05-31-2018 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 2605862)
Well, so far so good for Flexjet pilots:

1. Reinstate longevity for transfer pilots

2. Increase First Officer compensation for better retention

3. Increase Phenom compensation

4. Increase voluntary overtime compensation as we focus on hiring

5. Reinstate individual employment agreements



Doesn’t sound bad to me. Guess you’ll just have to see how the year turns out.



Yea it has nothing to do with a major pilot shortage and everything to do with voting he union out. [emoji849]

FLYLOW22 05-31-2018 04:28 AM

318 Tools at Flexjet Vote Union Out
 

Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 2605862)
Well, so far so good for Flexjet pilots:

1. Reinstate longevity for transfer pilots

2. Increase First Officer compensation for better retention

3. Increase Phenom compensation

4. Increase voluntary overtime compensation as we focus on hiring

5. Reinstate individual employment agreements



Doesn’t sound bad to me. Guess you’ll just have to see how the year turns out.



These are the new FO pay rates at Flex.

The increased ones.

NetJets currently offers a maximum pay rate of $140,000 for FOs at year 13 and 3 years into the CBA.

That’s a $60,000 disparity from what I’m seeing. Plus benefits, 401K, representation, etc.

Just the beginning guys. Get those apps in!

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