So why did the COMPANY force the transfers to take a leave of absence to go to the bottom of the Flex list when they already owned them? Now that the Teamsters are gone, you just found out the reason.

This means a National Seniority List (NSL) applicable to both Union and non-Union airlines alike. The fly in that ointment is that non-Union shops are completely free to not only hire street Captains, but promote F/Os without regard to system seniority.

That would erase the whole "career expectations" bugaboo. But, you're right. It will never happen as long as pilot seniority isn't portable job to job.

Nope. Never have.

And therein lies the sole problem.

You were at a great carrier that got absorbed by what turned out to be a dysfunctional one whose pilots were put through the merger wringer. You are fixated on length of service (LOS) because that was the best equity you brought to those mergers as opposed to career expectations and so you disagree with the arbitrations.

I've got news for you. Much like political systems there is no perfect seniority system or seniority integration methodology. Life is not fair. But it is laughable that you are trying to make this case of union obsolescence when airline pilots are doing better than ever since the fallout/market adjustments to deregulation, 9/11, wars, SARs, consolidation et al.

You, as much as anyone, had and have the opportunity to show us how it is done, but you can only offer grand goals like pilots controlling the training or a national seniority list and few specifics on how to make it happen. It reminds me of the national SOS proponents. These utopian solutions are usually foisted as if they are doable and by people who dislike unions or how their careers have gone and have done little to contribute in making the piloting profession better. Anyone who has done union work or led pilots knows such wishful solutions are far more than "a tall order."

I've got news for you. ALPA wasn't the cause of U.S. Air's dysfunction. Mismanagement was. Also, most pilots realize that life is short so they pick their battles carefully and that those of us who are lucky enough to be at the majors have it pretty good.

Expectations?? When did the original Flex pilots have the expectation that they would have Embraer or Gulfstream products? After 2N bought you, that's when.
By now he is after the next company and we will have another repeat.

Spin alert: Fact. Flight Options pilots were made a deal to take LOA at Flight Options and transfer to Flexjet since their side was taking new airplanes and Flight Options was not. They were placed at the bottom of Flexjet’s seniority list as FO. Some interviewed for the International Red Labels program (Gulfstream and Globals) along with some Flexjet guys. This was the only instance of anything being done out of seniority. The company wanted like-minded people who would thrive in a dedicated crew environment. That is their perogative. Yes, it ****ed some people off- Mostly the heavy union pushers who do most of the posting on these forums.

You, uh, think all those Lear FO’s who sat in the right seat for 9-10 years appreciated all those open right seats in Challengers and Legacies going to guys who left their own seats at the other company? How do you think seniority works?

Jesus am I glad I’m gone from here. Scumbag after scumbag justifying this horrible culture Ricci has created. I will keep saying it to my friends still there because I’m sure many know who I am and was senior when I left. Get out. ASAP. It’s a dump and please think long term not short term. My first year hurt but already second year 121 making what I made after 18 years there. And only goes up from here. Plus the ability of true flexibility with your schedule and soooooooo much less bs your life will be much better. Do not retire working for Ricci or with these back stabbing pos that will continue to thrive under Kenns regime. Just keep looking at the people we all know that have done well under Kenn. Neidermeyer types. Is that the type of person you want to be.

It’s some douche who had to create an account yesterday to try and counter the bad pub. Same thing happened on another website.