Leave Regional for FlexJet?
06-14-2019, 11:22 AM
#31
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Its all about what you want, I was at an airline and hated it, commuting is the worst in my opinion, especially now that every flight is sold out to my town with many commuters. I could have driven to a DC base but the traffic is horrific on 95 24/7, 2 hour drive is often 4 hours so I would need to leave sometimes 6 hours early for a trip. (I left the industry for a long time so it may all be different now)
Don't do a Fractional if you need to know what your doing every day, schedule often changes 4/5 times a day or even hour. Home basing is awesome. NJA its moving towards having the airplanes professionally stocked and cleaned but you'll still have to do it. Its easy and usually takes less than 5 minutes. But if you want to go to a major stay where you are. I also like knowing my schedule for 4 months at a time.
Don't do a Fractional if you need to know what your doing every day, schedule often changes 4/5 times a day or even hour. Home basing is awesome. NJA its moving towards having the airplanes professionally stocked and cleaned but you'll still have to do it. Its easy and usually takes less than 5 minutes. But if you want to go to a major stay where you are. I also like knowing my schedule for 4 months at a time.
06-14-2019, 03:55 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by ImBack
I'm not a new hire and not senior but I am in my 2nd year with Flexjet. I am already a Captain here. Good luck getting an upgrade for at least 12 years at NJ and when you do it's into a Phenom or Excel 
I personally know I'm making more than my buddy at NJ. I worked 183 days including training last year. Of the 183 days on the schedule, I flew maybe 160 days. I flew 400.8 hours. In fairness, I did pickup 13 days at 2x and 3x my daily rate 
In addition to my hourly overtime, I received $4000 dollars in fuel bonuses + the quarterly bonuses. The company has always paid those out since I've been here. I haven't spent a dollar of my per diem. The company covers everything. My QOL is amazing! I'm home based and on the PBS schedule. All the guys I fly with now have been great. All the senior pilots are moving into the Red Label program and make $1090+ per day. There are tons of senior pilots with 20+ years. Last seniority list was from 2 days ago and it doesn't look like they are going anywhere. Many of the original pilots brag about how much money they make so I don't think they are looking to leave.
Perhaps you need to need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and ask someone who actually works for the Company.
I personally know I'm making more than my buddy at NJ. I worked 183 days including training last year. Of the 183 days on the schedule, I flew maybe 160 days. I flew 400.8 hours. In fairness, I did pickup 13 days at 2x and 3x my daily rate In addition to my hourly overtime, I received $4000 dollars in fuel bonuses + the quarterly bonuses. The company has always paid those out since I've been here. I haven't spent a dollar of my per diem. The company covers everything. My QOL is amazing! I'm home based and on the PBS schedule. All the guys I fly with now have been great. All the senior pilots are moving into the Red Label program and make $1090+ per day. There are tons of senior pilots with 20+ years. Last seniority list was from 2 days ago and it doesn't look like they are going anywhere. Many of the original pilots brag about how much money they make so I don't think they are looking to leave.
Perhaps you need to need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and ask someone who actually works for the Company.
06-14-2019, 05:45 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by ImBack
I'm not a new hire and not senior but I am in my 2nd year with Flexjet. I am already a Captain here. Good luck getting an upgrade for at least 12 years at NJ and when you do it's into a Phenom or Excel I personally know I'm making more than my buddy at NJ. I worked 183 days including training last year. Of the 183 days on the schedule, I flew maybe 160 days. I flew 400.8 hours. In fairness, I did pickup 13 days at 2x and 3x my daily rate
In addition to my hourly overtime, I received $4000 dollars in fuel bonuses + the quarterly bonuses. The company has always paid those out since I've been here. I haven't spent a dollar of my per diem. The company covers everything. My QOL is amazing! I'm home based and on the PBS schedule. All the guys I fly with now have been great. All the senior pilots are moving into the Red Label program and make $1090+ per day. There are tons of senior pilots with 20+ years. Last seniority list was from 2 days ago and it doesn't look like they are going anywhere. Many of the original pilots brag about how much money they make so I don't think they are looking to leave.
Perhaps you need to need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and ask someone who actually works for the Company.
I personally know I'm making more than my buddy at NJ. I worked 183 days including training last year. Of the 183 days on the schedule, I flew maybe 160 days. I flew 400.8 hours. In fairness, I did pickup 13 days at 2x and 3x my daily rate In addition to my hourly overtime, I received $4000 dollars in fuel bonuses + the quarterly bonuses. The company has always paid those out since I've been here. I haven't spent a dollar of my per diem. The company covers everything. My QOL is amazing! I'm home based and on the PBS schedule. All the guys I fly with now have been great. All the senior pilots are moving into the Red Label program and make $1090+ per day. There are tons of senior pilots with 20+ years. Last seniority list was from 2 days ago and it doesn't look like they are going anywhere. Many of the original pilots brag about how much money they make so I don't think they are looking to leave.
Perhaps you need to need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and ask someone who actually works for the Company.
06-14-2019, 11:05 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by rswitz
Thanks for the info. Very informative. I'm tempted to just stay where I'm at. But I still can't get over that 100k income and home basing. Even with all the nonsense you outlined, I can't get over those very tempting things.
Or are you just happy flying whatever aircraft it is that gives you the best QOL.
I am sensing that you have no interest in getting a 4 year degree and are trying to find a “good/better” job so you can justify not getting the degree. There is nothing wrong with that. If you really don’t want to get the degree, considering a job at Flexjet is probably a smart move.
I’ve never worked in the fractional world but I spent a couple years flying a Falcon 20, which doesn’t give me any street cred with regard to this advice, but others have said “go to netjets instead”. Maybe use FJ as a stepping stone until NJ calls.
If your end goal IS a Major/Legacy airline...then stay right where you’re at. You aren’t going to get there, most likely, without a 4 year degree, so you’ll have some work to do. But I promise you, the juice is worth the squeeze. Buckle down and start researching online degrees. There is a wealth of information on this very forum about getting a 4 year degree online. Several schools even give you credit hours for the certificates and rating already in your wallet. You’re going to have to work for it though, and having the opportunity to explain to an interview board how you worked hard on layovers to get your degree while working full time will be a great way to show them what they’re getting if they hire you.
I hope I’m wrong, but one of your comments sounded like you don’t want to go through all that though. If not, nothing wrong with that. I loved flying the Falcon 20. What a bullet of an airplane. But every day I was there, I couldn’t wait another day for my furlough recall to happen. Like others have said, filing flight plans, stocking the aircraft, cleaning it, coordinating catering, ordering fuel, cleaning lavs, loading bags, etc. etc. adds a lot to your day,and not knowing where you’re going and when, from one hour to the next, might be much more difficult to deal with than you think.
One of my biggest gripes when I was flying corporate/pilot service/135 was not knowing I was off that day, until the day ended. I don’t know if that makes sense, and at a fractional, that won’t be a problem. They have actual schedules. If you do like the Airline job, but it’s just not working for you now, or you’re not where you wanted to be at this point in your life, take a deep breath. Give yourself a time out or a cooling off period. It’ll get better. I’ve been at my gig for 20 years and am just over 7000 on the seniority list. In the next 5 years, I’ll be in the 3000-4000 range. In other words, I’ll move up the list multiples faster in the next 5 years than the previous 20. It’s going to be an unprecedented, historical time of movement and good times for pilots for the next 5-10 years.
I can’t help you with your decision about Flexjet, because I never worked there, but you’ve gotten some quality responses on here from both sides of the spectrum. Don’t get too hung up on $100K a year. You’ll be close to that when you upgrade, and if you work 1-2 extra days a month as an FO, you’ll do ok for now too. Pick up enough hours that you’re busting your ass 17-18 days a month for a month or two, and if you think that’s too much work, that’ll represent a month at a fractional.
Feel free to pm me if you need anymore motivation to stick with the regional job. But if the fractional path is truly what you want to do, go for it. Just listen to the advice you’ve gotten from those on here that responded to you and make the best decision you can.
Good luck to you!
06-15-2019, 04:07 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
I’ve read all 4 pages of this thread, and you haven’t really stated or confirmed what your end goal is. Do you ultimately see yourself pursuing a Major/Legacy job? Is that what you want?
Or are you just happy flying whatever aircraft it is that gives you the best QOL.
I am sensing that you have no interest in getting a 4 year degree and are trying to find a “good/better” job so you can justify not getting the degree. There is nothing wrong with that. If you really don’t want to get the degree, considering a job at Flexjet is probably a smart move.
I’ve never worked in the fractional world but I spent a couple years flying a Falcon 20, which doesn’t give me any street cred with regard to this advice, but others have said “go to netjets instead”. Maybe use FJ as a stepping stone until NJ calls.
If your end goal IS a Major/Legacy airline...then stay right where you’re at. You aren’t going to get there, most likely, without a 4 year degree, so you’ll have some work to do. But I promise you, the juice is worth the squeeze. Buckle down and start researching online degrees. There is a wealth of information on this very forum about getting a 4 year degree online. Several schools even give you credit hours for the certificates and rating already in your wallet. You’re going to have to work for it though, and having the opportunity to explain to an interview board how you worked hard on layovers to get your degree while working full time will be a great way to show them what they’re getting if they hire you.
I hope I’m wrong, but one of your comments sounded like you don’t want to go through all that though. If not, nothing wrong with that. I loved flying the Falcon 20. What a bullet of an airplane. But every day I was there, I couldn’t wait another day for my furlough recall to happen. Like others have said, filing flight plans, stocking the aircraft, cleaning it, coordinating catering, ordering fuel, cleaning lavs, loading bags, etc. etc. adds a lot to your day,and not knowing where you’re going and when, from one hour to the next, might be much more difficult to deal with than you think.
One of my biggest gripes when I was flying corporate/pilot service/135 was not knowing I was off that day, until the day ended. I don’t know if that makes sense, and at a fractional, that won’t be a problem. They have actual schedules. If you do like the Airline job, but it’s just not working for you now, or you’re not where you wanted to be at this point in your life, take a deep breath. Give yourself a time out or a cooling off period. It’ll get better. I’ve been at my gig for 20 years and am just over 7000 on the seniority list. In the next 5 years, I’ll be in the 3000-4000 range. In other words, I’ll move up the list multiples faster in the next 5 years than the previous 20. It’s going to be an unprecedented, historical time of movement and good times for pilots for the next 5-10 years.
I can’t help you with your decision about Flexjet, because I never worked there, but you’ve gotten some quality responses on here from both sides of the spectrum. Don’t get too hung up on $100K a year. You’ll be close to that when you upgrade, and if you work 1-2 extra days a month as an FO, you’ll do ok for now too. Pick up enough hours that you’re busting your ass 17-18 days a month for a month or two, and if you think that’s too much work, that’ll represent a month at a fractional.
Feel free to pm me if you need anymore motivation to stick with the regional job. But if the fractional path is truly what you want to do, go for it. Just listen to the advice you’ve gotten from those on here that responded to you and make the best decision you can.
Good luck to you!
Or are you just happy flying whatever aircraft it is that gives you the best QOL.
I am sensing that you have no interest in getting a 4 year degree and are trying to find a “good/better” job so you can justify not getting the degree. There is nothing wrong with that. If you really don’t want to get the degree, considering a job at Flexjet is probably a smart move.
I’ve never worked in the fractional world but I spent a couple years flying a Falcon 20, which doesn’t give me any street cred with regard to this advice, but others have said “go to netjets instead”. Maybe use FJ as a stepping stone until NJ calls.
If your end goal IS a Major/Legacy airline...then stay right where you’re at. You aren’t going to get there, most likely, without a 4 year degree, so you’ll have some work to do. But I promise you, the juice is worth the squeeze. Buckle down and start researching online degrees. There is a wealth of information on this very forum about getting a 4 year degree online. Several schools even give you credit hours for the certificates and rating already in your wallet. You’re going to have to work for it though, and having the opportunity to explain to an interview board how you worked hard on layovers to get your degree while working full time will be a great way to show them what they’re getting if they hire you.
I hope I’m wrong, but one of your comments sounded like you don’t want to go through all that though. If not, nothing wrong with that. I loved flying the Falcon 20. What a bullet of an airplane. But every day I was there, I couldn’t wait another day for my furlough recall to happen. Like others have said, filing flight plans, stocking the aircraft, cleaning it, coordinating catering, ordering fuel, cleaning lavs, loading bags, etc. etc. adds a lot to your day,and not knowing where you’re going and when, from one hour to the next, might be much more difficult to deal with than you think.
One of my biggest gripes when I was flying corporate/pilot service/135 was not knowing I was off that day, until the day ended. I don’t know if that makes sense, and at a fractional, that won’t be a problem. They have actual schedules. If you do like the Airline job, but it’s just not working for you now, or you’re not where you wanted to be at this point in your life, take a deep breath. Give yourself a time out or a cooling off period. It’ll get better. I’ve been at my gig for 20 years and am just over 7000 on the seniority list. In the next 5 years, I’ll be in the 3000-4000 range. In other words, I’ll move up the list multiples faster in the next 5 years than the previous 20. It’s going to be an unprecedented, historical time of movement and good times for pilots for the next 5-10 years.
I can’t help you with your decision about Flexjet, because I never worked there, but you’ve gotten some quality responses on here from both sides of the spectrum. Don’t get too hung up on $100K a year. You’ll be close to that when you upgrade, and if you work 1-2 extra days a month as an FO, you’ll do ok for now too. Pick up enough hours that you’re busting your ass 17-18 days a month for a month or two, and if you think that’s too much work, that’ll represent a month at a fractional.
Feel free to pm me if you need anymore motivation to stick with the regional job. But if the fractional path is truly what you want to do, go for it. Just listen to the advice you’ve gotten from those on here that responded to you and make the best decision you can.
Good luck to you!
06-15-2019, 05:47 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
I’ve read all 4 pages of this thread, and you haven’t really stated or confirmed what your end goal is. Do you ultimately see yourself pursuing a Major/Legacy job? Is that what you want?
Or are you just happy flying whatever aircraft it is that gives you the best QOL.
I am sensing that you have no interest in getting a 4 year degree and are trying to find a “good/better” job so you can justify not getting the degree. There is nothing wrong with that. If you really don’t want to get the degree, considering a job at Flexjet is probably a smart move.
I’ve never worked in the fractional world but I spent a couple years flying a Falcon 20, which doesn’t give me any street cred with regard to this advice, but others have said “go to netjets instead”. Maybe use FJ as a stepping stone until NJ calls.
If your end goal IS a Major/Legacy airline...then stay right where you’re at. You aren’t going to get there, most likely, without a 4 year degree, so you’ll have some work to do. But I promise you, the juice is worth the squeeze. Buckle down and start researching online degrees. There is a wealth of information on this very forum about getting a 4 year degree online. Several schools even give you credit hours for the certificates and rating already in your wallet. You’re going to have to work for it though, and having the opportunity to explain to an interview board how you worked hard on layovers to get your degree while working full time will be a great way to show them what they’re getting if they hire you.
I hope I’m wrong, but one of your comments sounded like you don’t want to go through all that though. If not, nothing wrong with that. I loved flying the Falcon 20. What a bullet of an airplane. But every day I was there, I couldn’t wait another day for my furlough recall to happen. Like others have said, filing flight plans, stocking the aircraft, cleaning it, coordinating catering, ordering fuel, cleaning lavs, loading bags, etc. etc. adds a lot to your day,and not knowing where you’re going and when, from one hour to the next, might be much more difficult to deal with than you think.
One of my biggest gripes when I was flying corporate/pilot service/135 was not knowing I was off that day, until the day ended. I don’t know if that makes sense, and at a fractional, that won’t be a problem. They have actual schedules. If you do like the Airline job, but it’s just not working for you now, or you’re not where you wanted to be at this point in your life, take a deep breath. Give yourself a time out or a cooling off period. It’ll get better. I’ve been at my gig for 20 years and am just over 7000 on the seniority list. In the next 5 years, I’ll be in the 3000-4000 range. In other words, I’ll move up the list multiples faster in the next 5 years than the previous 20. It’s going to be an unprecedented, historical time of movement and good times for pilots for the next 5-10 years.
I can’t help you with your decision about Flexjet, because I never worked there, but you’ve gotten some quality responses on here from both sides of the spectrum. Don’t get too hung up on $100K a year. You’ll be close to that when you upgrade, and if you work 1-2 extra days a month as an FO, you’ll do ok for now too. Pick up enough hours that you’re busting your ass 17-18 days a month for a month or two, and if you think that’s too much work, that’ll represent a month at a fractional.
Feel free to pm me if you need anymore motivation to stick with the regional job. But if the fractional path is truly what you want to do, go for it. Just listen to the advice you’ve gotten from those on here that responded to you and make the best decision you can.
Good luck to you!
Or are you just happy flying whatever aircraft it is that gives you the best QOL.
I am sensing that you have no interest in getting a 4 year degree and are trying to find a “good/better” job so you can justify not getting the degree. There is nothing wrong with that. If you really don’t want to get the degree, considering a job at Flexjet is probably a smart move.
I’ve never worked in the fractional world but I spent a couple years flying a Falcon 20, which doesn’t give me any street cred with regard to this advice, but others have said “go to netjets instead”. Maybe use FJ as a stepping stone until NJ calls.
If your end goal IS a Major/Legacy airline...then stay right where you’re at. You aren’t going to get there, most likely, without a 4 year degree, so you’ll have some work to do. But I promise you, the juice is worth the squeeze. Buckle down and start researching online degrees. There is a wealth of information on this very forum about getting a 4 year degree online. Several schools even give you credit hours for the certificates and rating already in your wallet. You’re going to have to work for it though, and having the opportunity to explain to an interview board how you worked hard on layovers to get your degree while working full time will be a great way to show them what they’re getting if they hire you.
I hope I’m wrong, but one of your comments sounded like you don’t want to go through all that though. If not, nothing wrong with that. I loved flying the Falcon 20. What a bullet of an airplane. But every day I was there, I couldn’t wait another day for my furlough recall to happen. Like others have said, filing flight plans, stocking the aircraft, cleaning it, coordinating catering, ordering fuel, cleaning lavs, loading bags, etc. etc. adds a lot to your day,and not knowing where you’re going and when, from one hour to the next, might be much more difficult to deal with than you think.
One of my biggest gripes when I was flying corporate/pilot service/135 was not knowing I was off that day, until the day ended. I don’t know if that makes sense, and at a fractional, that won’t be a problem. They have actual schedules. If you do like the Airline job, but it’s just not working for you now, or you’re not where you wanted to be at this point in your life, take a deep breath. Give yourself a time out or a cooling off period. It’ll get better. I’ve been at my gig for 20 years and am just over 7000 on the seniority list. In the next 5 years, I’ll be in the 3000-4000 range. In other words, I’ll move up the list multiples faster in the next 5 years than the previous 20. It’s going to be an unprecedented, historical time of movement and good times for pilots for the next 5-10 years.
I can’t help you with your decision about Flexjet, because I never worked there, but you’ve gotten some quality responses on here from both sides of the spectrum. Don’t get too hung up on $100K a year. You’ll be close to that when you upgrade, and if you work 1-2 extra days a month as an FO, you’ll do ok for now too. Pick up enough hours that you’re busting your ass 17-18 days a month for a month or two, and if you think that’s too much work, that’ll represent a month at a fractional.
Feel free to pm me if you need anymore motivation to stick with the regional job. But if the fractional path is truly what you want to do, go for it. Just listen to the advice you’ve gotten from those on here that responded to you and make the best decision you can.
Good luck to you!
I'm not against putting in the work for a degree, but I'm at a point in life where making 50k at my regional is not cutting it. Commuting to a crashpad to make 80k won't either.
Being home based and making much better money right now seems like a good start. Maybe the fractional lifestyle will be conducive to completing an online degree. If it is, I'll then have no excuse.
Thanks for the insight.
06-15-2019, 06:53 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by rswitz
You are correct. My ultimate goal is simply one that will yield a good QOL and paycheck with my current qualifications. Fractional seems to mostly fit that bill.
I'm not against putting in the work for a degree, but I'm at a point in life where making 50k at my regional is not cutting it. Commuting to a crashpad to make 80k won't either.
Being home based and making much better money right now seems like a good start. Maybe the fractional lifestyle will be conducive to completing an online degree. If it is, I'll then have no excuse.
Thanks for the insight.
I'm not against putting in the work for a degree, but I'm at a point in life where making 50k at my regional is not cutting it. Commuting to a crashpad to make 80k won't either.
Being home based and making much better money right now seems like a good start. Maybe the fractional lifestyle will be conducive to completing an online degree. If it is, I'll then have no excuse.
Thanks for the insight.
Getting hired by a major from a fractional is hard enough. By VOLUNTARILY going to a shop that very recently decertified its union, you will add that stink to your resume and make it nearly impossible to reverse course. Some may discount that but EVERY major and LCC airline is unionized and nearly all of those unions have input in the hiring process somewhere along the way. If you don’t think they KNOW what is going on over there, you’re mistaken.
Caveat emptor Switz. Caveat emptor.
06-15-2019, 07:03 AM
#38
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Fwiw....the answer may be dependant on if or not you have 30+ years of work life ahead.
As for qol? You really picked a job that makes 'qol' a compromise. No matter what situation you find yourself.
Im 30years in...and 'qol' is STILL a monthly calculation.
Part is thats the job, and part is that the definition of qol is a moving target through our lives.
You have a family....so immediate factors of income and schedule are front and center.....but so should be things like security and stability.
What are the benefits in your employment situation for retirement and in the event you lose your medical...or worse? Is there a substantial LTD plan and medical, income, life insurance? If not you must factor in the costs to provide them.
No question a 121 major or ulcc will have a good to excellent package for you and familiy along with the income. Idk about regionals or frac.
You have presented a decision tree with limited options. What are the barriers to taking the upgrade at your regional and relocating the family?
Its likely to be a necessary reality at some point or another in this job.
Commuting in any airline job comes with heavy costs. Commuting to reserve is the worst. I suggest to our new hires it will cost them 7 figures income over a career...not to mention all the 'qol' issues.
I think no question the regional upgrade PIC tossed in with some add ons like lca is most expediant way to a 121 ulcc that may not have a degree requirement as an absolute. And would offer near major employment terms.
Id be calculating the logistics of the upgrade with relocating. As an in base pilot at your regional you might even equal that $100k. And become viable as a ulcc candidate in near time....and in the mean time think hard about how to get the sheepskin.
As for qol? You really picked a job that makes 'qol' a compromise. No matter what situation you find yourself.
Im 30years in...and 'qol' is STILL a monthly calculation.
Part is thats the job, and part is that the definition of qol is a moving target through our lives.
You have a family....so immediate factors of income and schedule are front and center.....but so should be things like security and stability.
What are the benefits in your employment situation for retirement and in the event you lose your medical...or worse? Is there a substantial LTD plan and medical, income, life insurance? If not you must factor in the costs to provide them.
No question a 121 major or ulcc will have a good to excellent package for you and familiy along with the income. Idk about regionals or frac.
You have presented a decision tree with limited options. What are the barriers to taking the upgrade at your regional and relocating the family?
Its likely to be a necessary reality at some point or another in this job.
Commuting in any airline job comes with heavy costs. Commuting to reserve is the worst. I suggest to our new hires it will cost them 7 figures income over a career...not to mention all the 'qol' issues.
I think no question the regional upgrade PIC tossed in with some add ons like lca is most expediant way to a 121 ulcc that may not have a degree requirement as an absolute. And would offer near major employment terms.
Id be calculating the logistics of the upgrade with relocating. As an in base pilot at your regional you might even equal that $100k. And become viable as a ulcc candidate in near time....and in the mean time think hard about how to get the sheepskin.
06-15-2019, 08:34 AM
#39
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Is this true about the rolling rest? Can’t be
Originally Posted by FNGFO
I don’t think you understand how hard you’ll be working for whatever they say you’ll make this year. You’ll probably fly 5-700 hours a year at Flex, but you’ll be cleaning, stocking, doing lavs and throwing bags an additional 5-700 hours, and it’ll be more like 1000 if you do it well. So if spending a month of your life each year hunched over servicing the cabin of a Phenom sounds like what you dreamed about in aviation then go hard after it.
You’ll also enjoy rolling rest, an interesting concept of maintenance and flexible rules. I personally wouldn’t take that step if a major airline was my goal. Not because it’s undoable, but because it’s unnecessary. What was once a very good place to hang your hat it now Flight Options with lipstick.
You’ll also enjoy rolling rest, an interesting concept of maintenance and flexible rules. I personally wouldn’t take that step if a major airline was my goal. Not because it’s undoable, but because it’s unnecessary. What was once a very good place to hang your hat it now Flight Options with lipstick.
Is this really a thing at Flex? I thought no FSDO in the free world allowed that anymore, not even YIP.
06-15-2019, 01:48 PM
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It’s always been true. For a short time you could put yourself on a don’t call me list, but the company begged off of that.
Basically, as long as you get 10 hours of rest you can be called up to 6 hours prior to your original duty start time to show up 4 hours before you original duty start time. This policy is called the “change band” and was instituted probably 6-7 years ago as a way to keep dispatch from lighting you up completely at will.
So duty off at 5pm with an expected duty on time of 9am and a phone call at 3 am is entirely possible.
Basically, as long as you get 10 hours of rest you can be called up to 6 hours prior to your original duty start time to show up 4 hours before you original duty start time. This policy is called the “change band” and was instituted probably 6-7 years ago as a way to keep dispatch from lighting you up completely at will.
So duty off at 5pm with an expected duty on time of 9am and a phone call at 3 am is entirely possible.
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