Completely untrue, they do not pull that 91 leg after a 14 hour day
We no longer have a CBA because they do not schedule us over 14 period
If passengers are late, westher, etc...and the trip is going to go over 14 we have every right to shut it down with no repercussions

Completely not true! Although it may be "legal" to go to 16 hours (for both NJ and Flex), to go over 12 hours is completely rare and usually due to sime sort of delay. You dont need a CBA to limit you when the company does it on their own, I hope your Union didnt waste too much time negotiating that. The only time I made it to 13hrs was a flight where we flew the PAX and waited for them to return. PAX was 2 hours late from their scheduled time. Flex gremoved my flights for the next day and put me on extended rest

You just said it does happen, but do preface that with it is rare. Talk about a contradiction.

They sure did at one time. I have flown with the pilots that left FlexJet because of this. It was not an everyday occurrence, but does happen. Also, FlexJets supposedly has a fatigue policy, but good luck using it in an "at will state". Either way, the NJASAP PAC got this soon to be fixed for our industry.

Did you read it? I said OVER 14 never happens, over 12 is completely rare (but paid overtime) however NJ "Negotiated" not going over 14hrs...We didnt have to negotiate that, its what the company does. In the ONLY instance that I went to 13 hrs, due to PAX delay (1 hr less than what NJ negotiated), they removed all trips for the next day and gave me extended rest (again, not negotiated in our CBA), sounds like since 14hrs is in your CBA, the next day would be business as usual.....Whats your point here? To say how bad Flex is vs. NJ? Gonna have to do better than CBA negotiations!

I have NEVER used the fatigue policy byt have flown with many that have...It was a non-issue. Company put them on rest and followed up with a report as to what the pilot felt was the issue to cause the fatigue. No one I have flown with has ever said company didnt accept the fatigue. I like how you want to give NJASAP credit for the industry, let me ask, did FLex give a SIGNIFICANT raise to their pilots BEFORE NJASAP was able to get any kind of raise for NJ? Do you at least give Flex credit for the raise that helped your bargaining position?

I can only go by what former FlexJet pilots have told me that have left FlexJet to come to NetJets. Granted, this would have been a time frame at FlexJet from 2-5 years ago, so maybe things have changed. Or maybe they mislead me, but Idoubt it. This is how I first heard of it but wasn't surprised as this was commong when I once flew 135 and still goes on in thrb135 world. Thankfully that will end.

I am glad FlexJet got their raise, but I think it was more about how Kennie wanted to move forwarded with recruiting pilots as it appears to only be for the first 3 years. I doubt NetJets was worried about it as we tend to recruit right out of college with a Restricted ATP until recently when the airlines stopped hiring. Now we are hiring some of our most experienced pilots to date supposedly.

I will give flex credit for giving the raise before we negotiated ours. It did help our positioning. It’s still sad that the whole pilot group at flex didn’t benefit equally. NJASAP negotiated raises of the same percentage across the whole pilot group. Will you give NJASAP credit for when Covid happened no one lost their bases or 401k contribution matches? I think that’s where you fail to see the big picture. You were not there when that stuff happened. That’s where you see why having a union with a contract is good. I remember talking to a flex pilot during Covid on his go home day. He had a 16 hour duty day because of riding on project lift to get home. But it wasn’t his normal base. It was one of the 9 that he was given a choice of. He still had a 4 1/2 hour drive to get to his house after the 16 hour duty day. Sure flex would get him a hotel so he could drive home the next day but now he is commuting on his off day. I wonder if he is still there or has the same loving feelings you do for flex.

That is correct in regards to during COVID that is what was occuring. But we were getting from 12+ duty hours 3x's hourly pay

So that makes it ok to take all the bases except 9 and take away your bonuses, 401k , etc? You must have lived in one of the 9 bases. A friend of mine who lived in one didn’t have the same views as that guy I talked to that didn’t. Also did you get all the pay when earned or was some deferred ? I had heard you basically got an IOU for pay over a certain amount.