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Dutch1 06-04-2017 01:25 PM

The latest on negotiations: management is more recalcitrant than ever. This has turned into a miserable workplace. Walk the other way when you see them at your job fair. This is not where you want to be. You can not make a career here.

David Puddy 06-04-2017 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Dutch1 (Post 2374206)
The latest on negotiations: management is more recalcitrant than ever. This has turned into a miserable workplace. Walk the other way when you see them at your job fair. This is not where you want to be. You can not make a career here.

Fortunately for you and your colleagues, PLENTY of airlines are hiring. :cool:

RI830 06-04-2017 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Dutch1 (Post 2374206)
The latest on negotiations: management is more recalcitrant than ever. This has turned into a miserable workplace. Walk the other way when you see them at your job fair. This is not where you want to be. You can not make a career here.

Could you explain why management is so recalcitrant and why life is so bad compared to the past?

David Puddy 06-06-2017 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Dutch1 (Post 2374206)
The latest on negotiations: management is more recalcitrant than ever. This has turned into a miserable workplace. Walk the other way when you see them at your job fair. This is not where you want to be. You can not make a career here.

Looks like adding new pilots.... Due to attrition or airframe growth? Are any pilots leaving? I assume the more junior FOs are looking around with all of the airline hiring. Article below:

Flexjet to Hire New Pilots in Response to New Business Surge | Business Wire

Dutch1 06-06-2017 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2375040)
Looks like adding new pilots.... Due to attrition or airframe growth? Are any pilots leaving? I assume the more junior FOs are looking around with all of the airline hiring. Article below:

Flexjet to Hire New Pilots in Response to New Business Surge | Business Wire


They still have not recalled any furloughed pilots, so press releases like that are pretty misleading.

Dutch1 06-06-2017 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by RI830 (Post 2374326)
Could you explain why management is so recalcitrant and why life is so bad compared to the past?


I'll give you one example: last day rules used to limit duty to 14 hours except for airline travel, which was limited to 16 hours. They had to get you home on your last day. There was no forced overtime. Now they just tell you you won't get home. Or they assign you a trip (live or repo) which gets you home, but is over 14 hours duty. This is common today.
Recalcitrant management: Bob S screaming FU,FU,FU! at the pilots in the last negotiating session. There really isn't much more to say.
So, as Puddy suggested, if you are young look for an airline. If you are too old for the airlines, look for a corporate position. But don't come here if you want to make a career.

TurboFanMan 06-06-2017 10:10 AM

80 percent captains between the 2 combined, 2 furloughs in the past, Ricci at the helm, no way I'm going there!!!!
2 acquisitions with no growth, he can't grow a worm farm!!!
I don't need to be there to understand the writing on the wall!!! Lol
Ricci is the KING of misleading information, let me know how those sub sonic jets fly Puddy. Lol

Dutch1 06-06-2017 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by TurboFanMan (Post 2375106)
80 percent captains between the 2 combined, 2 furloughs in the past, Ricci at the helm, no way I'm going there!!!!
2 acquisitions with no growth, he can't grow a worm farm!!!
I don't need to be there to understand the writing on the wall!!! Lol
Ricci is the KING of misleading information, let me know how those sub sonic jets fly Puddy. Lol

Let us not forget the supersonic jet...🙄

HersheySquirts 06-06-2017 09:22 PM

So when are you leaving, Dutch?

Dutch1 06-07-2017 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by HersheySquirts (Post 2375411)
So when are you leaving, Dutch?

When the time is right for me. Thank you for your concern.


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