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Old 03-30-2007 | 02:27 PM
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Old 04-04-2007 | 03:57 PM
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Regarding PIC time towards ATP mins--I am 99% certain SIC time for an airline counts as 1/2 towards ATP PIC mins.

So, if you started at Air Midwest with 300TT (assume about 250 of that is PIC, not dual), you would calculate it this way:

1500 PIC req'd - 250 PIC = 1250 PIC needed

1250 PIC = 2500 SIC required to meet ATP PIC minimums = 2 yrs left-seat, conservatively.

I might be totally wrong, but I think this is how it works. That's one other side of MAPD/low time reqs, is that Mesa actually prefers low-timers due to the longer period of time they get to keep you @ $19/hr.

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Old 04-04-2007 | 07:54 PM
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i thought ATP was 1200 PIC? and plus.. if you were instructing you'd be getting dual, not PIC, so how would that be better anyway?
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Old 04-04-2007 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mcartier713
i thought ATP was 1200 PIC? and plus.. if you were instructing you'd be getting dual, not PIC, so how would that be better anyway?
Giving instruction is PIC. As an instructor you are the final authority as to the opeartion of the aircraft. That's the FAA would see it if anything were to happen on the flight. If you are recieving instruction that would be logged as DUAL RECIEVED. PIC is PIC when it comes down to filling out that 8710, doesn't matter if it is solo, carrying pax, or giving instruction.
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Old 04-04-2007 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
Regarding PIC time towards ATP mins--I am 99% certain SIC time for an airline counts as 1/2 towards ATP PIC mins.

So, if you started at Air Midwest with 300TT (assume about 250 of that is PIC, not dual), you would calculate it this way:

1500 PIC req'd - 250 PIC = 1250 PIC needed

1250 PIC = 2500 SIC required to meet ATP PIC minimums = 2 yrs left-seat, conservatively.

I might be totally wrong, but I think this is how it works. That's one other side of MAPD/low time reqs, is that Mesa actually prefers low-timers due to the longer period of time they get to keep you @ $19/hr.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
2 years left seat would be liberal... not conservative. Under part 121 you can only fly 100 hours a month and 1000 hours a year. So you are looking at at least 29 months to get 2500 SIC.
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Old 04-05-2007 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mcartier713
i thought ATP was 1200 PIC? and plus.. if you were instructing you'd be getting dual, not PIC, so how would that be better anyway?
For a US ATP you need 1500 total time, in addition to some other requirements.

For an ICAO ATP (needed for international ops, including Canada) you need 1500 TT with 1200 PIC.

Some of the PIC must be actual, no kidding PIC. Some of it can be substituted 2-for-1 with 121 SIC.
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Old 04-05-2007 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
2 years left seat would be liberal... not conservative. Under part 121 you can only fly 100 hours a month and 1000 hours a year. So you are looking at at least 29 months to get 2500 SIC.
im not a math major or anything... but wouldn't 2500/100month be 25 months?... and the way i kind of look at it, if i start working on this SIC time when i turn 21 (youngest you can get hired) then 25 months later when i turn 23 i'd be right there at the mins to get an ATP right? then just bump up to captain? 2 years as FO for a commuter is more than long enough for an upgrade right?
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Old 04-05-2007 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mcartier713
im not a math major or anything... but wouldn't 2500/100month be 25 months?... and the way i kind of look at it, if i start working on this SIC time when i turn 21 (youngest you can get hired) then 25 months later when i turn 23 i'd be right there at the mins to get an ATP right? then just bump up to captain? 2 years as FO for a commuter is more than long enough for an upgrade right?
Yes it would be 25 months, however, 121 only allows you to fly 1000 hours in a year. So for the 2500 SIC it would be 2 years for 2000 hours then at least another 5 months for the other 500. Keep in mind that many regional airlines have minimums to upgrade that are higher than ATP mins.
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Old 04-05-2007 | 10:57 AM
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How many regional airline pilots max out at 1000 hours a year. Not many. I would say 800+ a year would be a more reasonable estimate. So you are looking at about 3 years.

Becoming a CFI will make you a better pilot. Period. I can't understand why people are trying to get out of CFI'ing, even if it is only for one year.

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Old 04-05-2007 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ryane946
How many regional airline pilots max out at 1000 hours a year. Not many. I would say 800+ a year would be a more reasonable estimate. So you are looking at about 3 years.
Agreed. I was just making a point that the bare minimum would be 29 months. Not 2 years as someone else stated has previously stated.
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