Flight Reviews
10-03-2017, 03:27 AM
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Flight Reviews
Hi guys,
I've waddled over here from the Australian PPrune forums in search of some information which might stand a better chance of getting answered.
In Australia to maintain your licence to fly something like a PA28 or 172 you would normally need to pass a bi-annual flight review, with the exception that if you are an airline pilot who gets checked as part of an approved checking and training system then you're covered.
Is this the same with you guys?
I'm wondering because if I ever get the chance to head over would the American system recognise my bit of Currency paper from my Australian employer?
Cheers.
I've waddled over here from the Australian PPrune forums in search of some information which might stand a better chance of getting answered.
In Australia to maintain your licence to fly something like a PA28 or 172 you would normally need to pass a bi-annual flight review, with the exception that if you are an airline pilot who gets checked as part of an approved checking and training system then you're covered.
Is this the same with you guys?
I'm wondering because if I ever get the chance to head over would the American system recognise my bit of Currency paper from my Australian employer?
Cheers.
10-03-2017, 04:48 AM
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Yes, same deal but you'd have to read the fine print. Usually that sort of thing states "part 121 operations" in reference to airline ops...and 121 can only mean US certified airlines. So I don't think currency at a non-US airline would count.
But most outfits which rent airplanes will require a short checkout anyway for insurance purposes which could also be a flight review
But most outfits which rent airplanes will require a short checkout anyway for insurance purposes which could also be a flight review
10-03-2017, 08:19 AM
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Do you already hold an FAA certificate or will you be converting it to one once you arrive here? (This is a requirement to fly U.S. registered aircraft). If you're converting to an FAA certificate, the flight review will be required in order to be able to act as PIC. Your foreign airline's currency will not count as it's not under FAA 121 regulations. The flight review is rather simple and if you are renting an aircraft while you are here, could easily be included in the rental checkout.
10-03-2017, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyhayes
Not according to Merriam-Websters dictionary...
ˌbīˈany(o͞o)əl
adjective
occurring twice a year.
"the biannual meeting of the planning committee"
bi·en·ni·al
bīˈenēəl
adjective
1.
taking place every other year.
"summit meetings are normally biennial"
10-03-2017, 12:18 PM
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The FAA now refers to it as a "flight review". The term "BFR" is no longer used although it is required every 24 calendar months. If you take part in a 121/135 or military recurrent training program then the requirement is waived. However, this does not apply based on a foreign carrier.
You have a couple separate issues here. Doing a flight review or checkout at a flight school does not "convert" your Oz certificate to FAA certificate. I'm assuming you do not hold a FAA certificate hence your question.
The FAA will (as a courtesy) VALIDATE a foreign pilot certificate that will allow you to fly a "N" registered aircraft here in the states. This is not to be confused with CONVERTING your Oz cert to a FAA certificate.
If you want to come over and punch holes in the sky with a C172 then find a local FSDO in the area where you plan to rent the aircraft. You must contact the FSDO and they will tell you where the Oz CASA must send your pilot credentials. Verify the FAA has received your documents. This can take a while so plan in advance.
Contact the local flight school and complete a flight review with a CFI. This should suffice as a "check out" to rent the aircraft. Take your logbook endorsement, pilot certificate and medical certificate to the FSDO. They'll have you fill out a form and issue you a FAA validation.
It will say on the paper that it is issued based on your foreign pilot certificate subject to any restrictions imposed by your government along with medical requirements. It grants you private pilot VFR privileges only.
I don't recall any different limitations from Oz. However, pilots from say Mexico cannot fly VFR at night. Every FAA private pilot can fly VFR at night but if you "validated" your cert then you would still have the same restriction since you do not hold a FAA certificate. European pilots require a night endorsement. Without it, they would be restricted from flying at night as well.
Converting your foreign pilot certificate requires you to take the required FAA written exam, obtaining a FAA medical, and taking a checkride with a FAA examiner. You will have to document the required experience (which you likely have in your logbook) as well for each rating.
You have a couple separate issues here. Doing a flight review or checkout at a flight school does not "convert" your Oz certificate to FAA certificate. I'm assuming you do not hold a FAA certificate hence your question.
The FAA will (as a courtesy) VALIDATE a foreign pilot certificate that will allow you to fly a "N" registered aircraft here in the states. This is not to be confused with CONVERTING your Oz cert to a FAA certificate.
If you want to come over and punch holes in the sky with a C172 then find a local FSDO in the area where you plan to rent the aircraft. You must contact the FSDO and they will tell you where the Oz CASA must send your pilot credentials. Verify the FAA has received your documents. This can take a while so plan in advance.
Contact the local flight school and complete a flight review with a CFI. This should suffice as a "check out" to rent the aircraft. Take your logbook endorsement, pilot certificate and medical certificate to the FSDO. They'll have you fill out a form and issue you a FAA validation.
It will say on the paper that it is issued based on your foreign pilot certificate subject to any restrictions imposed by your government along with medical requirements. It grants you private pilot VFR privileges only.
I don't recall any different limitations from Oz. However, pilots from say Mexico cannot fly VFR at night. Every FAA private pilot can fly VFR at night but if you "validated" your cert then you would still have the same restriction since you do not hold a FAA certificate. European pilots require a night endorsement. Without it, they would be restricted from flying at night as well.
Converting your foreign pilot certificate requires you to take the required FAA written exam, obtaining a FAA medical, and taking a checkride with a FAA examiner. You will have to document the required experience (which you likely have in your logbook) as well for each rating.
10-03-2017, 02:01 PM
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Thanks guys (Two thumbs up CFI Guy) I really appreciate the comprehensive answers. Exactly what I was after!
Yup Biennial was the intention, but the autocucumber on my phone decided it knew better.
In a nutshell, with a small amount of elbow grease and prior preparation I can head over to the U.S., end up going for a local flight with some friends, head home for a beer and spend the evening taking the **** out of each other's aviation systems. Perfect!
If I want anything more than that, i.e. a job, I have to put my nose back into the books, tidy up some loose ends and jump through the regular hoops, which is reasonable and fair. Also good to know.
Thank you very much!
Yup Biennial was the intention, but the autocucumber on my phone decided it knew better.
In a nutshell, with a small amount of elbow grease and prior preparation I can head over to the U.S., end up going for a local flight with some friends, head home for a beer and spend the evening taking the **** out of each other's aviation systems. Perfect!
If I want anything more than that, i.e. a job, I have to put my nose back into the books, tidy up some loose ends and jump through the regular hoops, which is reasonable and fair. Also good to know.
Thank you very much!
10-03-2017, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyhayes
Not according to Merriam-Websters dictionary...
They changed it because too many people didn't know the difference between biennial and bi-annual...
10-03-2017, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboMaggot
Thanks guys (Two thumbs up CFI Guy) I really appreciate the comprehensive answers. Exactly what I was after!
Yup Biennial was the intention, but the autocucumber on my phone decided it knew better.
In a nutshell, with a small amount of elbow grease and prior preparation I can head over to the U.S., end up going for a local flight with some friends, head home for a beer and spend the evening taking the **** out of each other's aviation systems. Perfect!
If I want anything more than that, i.e. a job, I have to put my nose back into the books, tidy up some loose ends and jump through the regular hoops, which is reasonable and fair. Also good to know.
Thank you very much!
Yup Biennial was the intention, but the autocucumber on my phone decided it knew better.
In a nutshell, with a small amount of elbow grease and prior preparation I can head over to the U.S., end up going for a local flight with some friends, head home for a beer and spend the evening taking the **** out of each other's aviation systems. Perfect!
If I want anything more than that, i.e. a job, I have to put my nose back into the books, tidy up some loose ends and jump through the regular hoops, which is reasonable and fair. Also good to know.
Thank you very much!
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