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04-05-2018, 08:38 AM
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Technically 14 CFR 61.129(b)(3)(ii):
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id..._1129&rgn=div8
§61.129 Aeronautical experience.
(b) For an airplane multiengine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
See also subparagraph 61.129(b)(4), which adroitly requires multi-engine solo...but then walks it back, and stipulates that this requirement also covers the 10 hours multi in 6.129(b):
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
But wait, there's more. If you're adding the class rating (eg, multi-engine land or multi-engine sea), 61.63(c)(3) waives the hours requirement (so long as you're adding the class rating to a pilot certificate lower than the ATP level):
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...1_163&rgn=div8
§61.63 Additional aircraft ratings (other than for ratings at the airline transport pilot certification level).
(c) Additional aircraft class rating. A person who applies for an additional class rating on a pilot certificate:
(3) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought; unless, the person only holds a lighter-than-air category rating with a balloon class rating and is seeking an airship class rating, then that person must receive the specified training time requirements and possess the appropriate aeronautical experience.
If you do your commercial in a multi engine airplane, you'll need at least 10 hours multi. If you do it in a single engine airplane and then add the multi, you do not require the 10 hours multi.
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id..._1129&rgn=div8
§61.129 Aeronautical experience.
(b) For an airplane multiengine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
See also subparagraph 61.129(b)(4), which adroitly requires multi-engine solo...but then walks it back, and stipulates that this requirement also covers the 10 hours multi in 6.129(b):
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
But wait, there's more. If you're adding the class rating (eg, multi-engine land or multi-engine sea), 61.63(c)(3) waives the hours requirement (so long as you're adding the class rating to a pilot certificate lower than the ATP level):
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...1_163&rgn=div8
§61.63 Additional aircraft ratings (other than for ratings at the airline transport pilot certification level).
(c) Additional aircraft class rating. A person who applies for an additional class rating on a pilot certificate:
(3) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought; unless, the person only holds a lighter-than-air category rating with a balloon class rating and is seeking an airship class rating, then that person must receive the specified training time requirements and possess the appropriate aeronautical experience.
If you do your commercial in a multi engine airplane, you'll need at least 10 hours multi. If you do it in a single engine airplane and then add the multi, you do not require the 10 hours multi.
04-05-2018, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Technically 14 CFR 61.129(b)(3)(ii):
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id..._1129&rgn=div8
§61.129 Aeronautical experience.
(b) For an airplane multiengine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
See also subparagraph 61.129(b)(4), which adroitly requires multi-engine solo...but then walks it back, and stipulates that this requirement also covers the 10 hours multi in 6.129(b):
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
But wait, there's more. If you're adding the class rating (eg, multi-engine land or multi-engine sea), 61.63(c)(3) waives the hours requirement (so long as you're adding the class rating to a pilot certificate lower than the ATP level):
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...1_163&rgn=div8
§61.63 Additional aircraft ratings (other than for ratings at the airline transport pilot certification level).
(c) Additional aircraft class rating. A person who applies for an additional class rating on a pilot certificate:
(3) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought; unless, the person only holds a lighter-than-air category rating with a balloon class rating and is seeking an airship class rating, then that person must receive the specified training time requirements and possess the appropriate aeronautical experience.
If you do your commercial in a multi engine airplane, you'll need at least 10 hours multi. If you do it in a single engine airplane and then add the multi, you do not require the 10 hours multi.
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id..._1129&rgn=div8
§61.129 Aeronautical experience.
(b) For an airplane multiengine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
See also subparagraph 61.129(b)(4), which adroitly requires multi-engine solo...but then walks it back, and stipulates that this requirement also covers the 10 hours multi in 6.129(b):
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
But wait, there's more. If you're adding the class rating (eg, multi-engine land or multi-engine sea), 61.63(c)(3) waives the hours requirement (so long as you're adding the class rating to a pilot certificate lower than the ATP level):
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...1_163&rgn=div8
§61.63 Additional aircraft ratings (other than for ratings at the airline transport pilot certification level).
(c) Additional aircraft class rating. A person who applies for an additional class rating on a pilot certificate:
(3) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought; unless, the person only holds a lighter-than-air category rating with a balloon class rating and is seeking an airship class rating, then that person must receive the specified training time requirements and possess the appropriate aeronautical experience.
If you do your commercial in a multi engine airplane, you'll need at least 10 hours multi. If you do it in a single engine airplane and then add the multi, you do not require the 10 hours multi.
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