multiengine time
01-29-2008, 03:51 PM
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multiengine time
Are the regionals accepting safety pilot time on a multiengine aircraft as flight time?
Or just the time on instruction or solo to get multi time experience?
Ready to bulid time and I just want to know.
Thank you
Or just the time on instruction or solo to get multi time experience?
Ready to bulid time and I just want to know.
Thank you
01-29-2008, 05:00 PM
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You might want to check into the safety pilot issue more closely. I know at least one pilot who was hired by SkyWest without an MEI and plenty of safety pilot Multi time. He explained to me that you just need to properly log it. Any safety pilot time should actually be logged as SIC (even on a single pilot type certified aircraft) because the FAR's allow a pilot to log SIC when the "type of operation" requires a second pilot. When the PIC is under the hood, a second "safety" pilot is required and therefore should be logged as SIC. The FAA actually published an article on their website regarding the logging of flight time. This subject is discussed in that article.
01-30-2008, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by skystruck
Any safety pilot time should actually be logged as SIC (even on a single pilot type certified aircraft) because the FAR's allow a pilot to log SIC when the "type of operation" requires a second pilot.
FAR 61.51 Pilot Logbooks
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
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So you have to ask yourself. Am I flying in an aircraft requiring 2 crewmembers; or am I flying under part 91(k) or 135 in a single pilot aircraft that is required to have a SIC according to the company's FAA approved Ops Specs... if not, then you should not be logging SIC time. Safety pilot time is not logged as SIC.
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01-30-2008, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha
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FAR 61.51 Pilot Logbooks
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
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FAR 61.51 Pilot Logbooks
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
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The FAA has an article on their website that explains this concept. That is where I learned it. The link to the article is below:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...AND%20TIME.pdf
01-31-2008, 10:27 AM
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Here is a quote from your link that shows how safety pilot can be logged as PIC:
"Normally, a safety pilot, required by regulations, who scans for traffic for a pilot flying under simulated instrument conditions is not pilot-in-command and thus logs second-in-command. However, if the two pilots agree that the safety pilot is designated pilot-in-command, the safety pilot/pilot-in-command may log PIC since he is the pilot responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft"
"Normally, a safety pilot, required by regulations, who scans for traffic for a pilot flying under simulated instrument conditions is not pilot-in-command and thus logs second-in-command. However, if the two pilots agree that the safety pilot is designated pilot-in-command, the safety pilot/pilot-in-command may log PIC since he is the pilot responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft"
01-31-2008, 02:29 PM
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Yep, I agree. A safety pilot (aboard a single pilot type certified aircraft) can log either PIC or SIC. However, if logging PIC, it's probably a good idea to put in the remarks for the flight that you were the designated PIC. The way I read the article, either SIC or PIC is appropriate for the safety pilot. Just be ready to explain it in an interview from the standpoint of 61.51.
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