Originally Posted by wmarti31
(Post 378585)
Now, can I act as the safety pilot of a pilot who is not instrument rated yet? A friend of mine is asking to be his safety pilot, but he is a private pilot and currently working on his instrument rating. He wants to do some hood work.
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Thanks for the replies. This is what my CFII told me when he went over my logbook yesterday...
My CFII assumed from reading the FAR's x-country definition that logging cross country meant YOU had to "land at an airport of 50 NM away" and if there was no landing logged (i.e. your buddy did the landing) then NONE of the flight could be logged as x-country. So if I was safety pilot for the entirity of the 70 NM leg back home this would only be counted as PIC time and NOT x-country (b/c no landing). Or if I flew part of the leg and didn't land then this would NOT count as x-country (b/c no landing). Furthermore my CFII assumed if you were safety pilot then you weren't using "dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point" as stated in the x-country definition then you couldn't log x-country. So say for a 4.2 hour flight in the Comments section of my log book I state that I was safety pilot for 2.2 hours and under the hood for 1.8 hours AND I landed the plane that I could only log 2.0 (4.2 -2.2) hours of x-country because this was when I was using navigation systems to the landing point. From my understanding of your replies is that I can log x-country PIC regardless. BTW, I am trying to get a hold of the examiner... |
I wouldn't worry about...
if you call the examiner and ask him he might think up a way where it couldn't be PIC... however I've done what you did (logging time) and several other people I know have once upon a time and nobody cared... not to be sneaky... but I would just put PIC down... and not mention anything about being a safety pilot in the comment section... I've really only mentioned the safety pilot's name, etc if I was under the hood, not visa versa. If you touched the controls on the ground at the destination airport... you could probably safely say that it was XC time in your situation. |
If you are worried about logging a landing on cross-country ask for a touch and go followed by a full stop. That way you each get a landing.
Joe |
Originally Posted by Engineer Pilot
(Post 457421)
My CFII assumed from reading the FAR's x-country definition that logging cross country meant YOU had to "land at an airport of 50 NM away" and if there was no landing logged (i.e. your buddy did the landing) then NONE of the flight could be logged as x-country. So if I was safety pilot for the entirity of the 70 NM leg back home this would only be counted as PIC time and NOT x-country (b/c no landing). Or if I flew part of the leg and didn't land then this would NOT count as x-country (b/c no landing).
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I got a hold of the examiner and he said while he doesn't like the rule it is still legal. So that is the bottom line. And yes, all conditions of flight including X/C applies to it. Now to focus for Saturday's check ride. Thanks again everyone for clearing it up for me :)
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Originally Posted by Engineer Pilot
(Post 457421)
Thanks for the replies. This is what my CFII told me when he went over my logbook yesterday...
My CFII assumed from reading the FAR's x-country definition that logging cross country meant YOU had to "land at an airport of 50 NM away" and if there was no landing logged (i.e. your buddy did the landing) then NONE of the flight could be logged as x-country. So if I was safety pilot for the entirity of the 70 NM leg back home this would only be counted as PIC time and NOT x-country (b/c no landing). Or if I flew part of the leg and didn't land then this would NOT count as x-country (b/c no landing). Furthermore my CFII assumed if you were safety pilot then you weren't using "dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point" as stated in the x-country definition then you couldn't log x-country. So say for a 4.2 hour flight in the Comments section of my log book I state that I was safety pilot for 2.2 hours and under the hood for 1.8 hours AND I landed the plane that I could only log 2.0 (4.2 -2.2) hours of x-country because this was when I was using navigation systems to the landing point. From my understanding of your replies is that I can log x-country PIC regardless. BTW, I am trying to get a hold of the examiner... |
This was specifically addressed by the FAA in 2009, and they said you can NOT log cross country time as a safety pilot.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 457365)
I agree, there is no limitation on a safety pilot logging conditions of flight such as night and XC. The airplane has to travel a certain distance and land at two points (depending on what you need the XC time for), but it does not matter who lands it.
You should be able to log night but no longer XC. Of course don't log IMC as SP. |
Originally Posted by fanboy
(Post 2225229)
This was specifically addressed by the FAA in 2009, and they said you can NOT log cross country time as a safety pilot.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf Question: if you have your CFII then I assume you can count all the time along with the cross country time if you mark it as duel given in the other pilots logbook? |
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