Initial Comm in Multi
04-17-2008 | 08:17 PM
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Initial Comm in Multi
Hello,
I have a question regarding the long X-country for the multi comm. This is not an add-on.
Is it possible to combine some of the X country flights so that the 100nm day and 100nm night flights can be in part, incorporated with the 300 nm X country. In other words take off at say, 5:30pm and fly 300nm in VFR conditions. Land. Refuel, and return 300nm at night. Can you kill multiple birds with such a flight?
I appreciate any input on this. I am trying to combine flights, if possbile, to save money and fuel. I asked a few MEIs and got three different responses.
thanks
I have a question regarding the long X-country for the multi comm. This is not an add-on.
Is it possible to combine some of the X country flights so that the 100nm day and 100nm night flights can be in part, incorporated with the 300 nm X country. In other words take off at say, 5:30pm and fly 300nm in VFR conditions. Land. Refuel, and return 300nm at night. Can you kill multiple birds with such a flight?
I appreciate any input on this. I am trying to combine flights, if possbile, to save money and fuel. I asked a few MEIs and got three different responses.
thanks
04-17-2008 | 08:32 PM
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Just did my initial comm in a multi also, and I am almost definite that I had to do 1 flight per requirement.
There was a few things we did to combine requirements. We did multiple t/g's at towered airports to meet the 10 t/o & landings at towered airports requirement during the 300nm cc.
There was a few things we did to combine requirements. We did multiple t/g's at towered airports to meet the 10 t/o & landings at towered airports requirement during the 300nm cc.
04-18-2008 | 11:18 AM
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The regulation does not clearly prohibit that, but the FAR's are mostly poorly worded...This means the REAL rules are based on a combination of FAR's, FAA advisories, legal opinions, and enforcement actions.
Because this is administrative (not criminal or civil) law, loopholes or weakness in the wording of the regulation will not get you off the hook...the FAA can simply say "well this is what we INTENDED the reg to mean", and hold you to that.
In this case I would bet that you would have to do separate flights...if this has ever been tried before, I'm sure the pilot lost the argument.
Because this is administrative (not criminal or civil) law, loopholes or weakness in the wording of the regulation will not get you off the hook...the FAA can simply say "well this is what we INTENDED the reg to mean", and hold you to that.
In this case I would bet that you would have to do separate flights...if this has ever been tried before, I'm sure the pilot lost the argument.
04-19-2008 | 02:03 PM
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Remember.. the 10 night landings at towered and the 300 mile xc have to be acted as PIC so your instructor needs to endorse your logbook for the complex aircraft (this will save you a private multi checkride
). The only thing you can combine is the night landings at towered within your 300 mile xc. Hope this helps.
). The only thing you can combine is the night landings at towered within your 300 mile xc. Hope this helps.
04-19-2008 | 04:53 PM
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The instructor needs to go with you and be the PIC and you have to be endorsed as acting PIC although you do not actually log PIC. That is what I had to do with most of my multi comm students. You also do not endorse the student as dual given, it is just TT but not PIC for them. This is how the local BOS FSDO explained how they wanted it.
04-19-2008 | 10:07 PM
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The instructor needs to go with you and be the PIC and you have to be endorsed as acting PIC although you do not actually log PIC. That is what I had to do with most of my multi comm students. You also do not endorse the student as dual given, it is just TT but not PIC for them. This is how the local BOS FSDO explained how they wanted it.
04-20-2008 | 04:17 AM
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Zero,
I did the same thing for myself. I did the multi pvt after my se pvt and then did my instrument in the twin and the initial comm in the twin and my mei as my initial so it was all PIC. I used the GI Bill so my cost for the twin was around 55 an hour so I figured may as well get the multi pic then because I was uncertain if after my training if I would be able to come by any multi. Turns out at my next job I flew another hundred plus multi but I was happy with how it worked out and the lack of safety pilot time and the fact I finished all of my ratings with more than the usual 2 hours of ME pic.
The example above was what I did with my students. The twin where I taught was nearly 250 an hour so there were not too many people wasting any time up there.
I did the same thing for myself. I did the multi pvt after my se pvt and then did my instrument in the twin and the initial comm in the twin and my mei as my initial so it was all PIC. I used the GI Bill so my cost for the twin was around 55 an hour so I figured may as well get the multi pic then because I was uncertain if after my training if I would be able to come by any multi. Turns out at my next job I flew another hundred plus multi but I was happy with how it worked out and the lack of safety pilot time and the fact I finished all of my ratings with more than the usual 2 hours of ME pic.
The example above was what I did with my students. The twin where I taught was nearly 250 an hour so there were not too many people wasting any time up there.
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