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DAL4EVER 09-16-2008 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by aviator77 (Post 462708)
It depends. If you're logging the time toward a PPL, Instrument Rating, or Commercial Certificate then you need a landing at a point 50 NM straight line distance from the departure airport. If not, then you need only land "at a point other than the point of departure". For cross-country time toward an ATP Certificate the flight must be 50 NM straight line distance but no landing is required. I personally only log cross-country time if I shoot approaches or land at another airport. We fly over 50 NM straight line distance to the MOA and back all the time but I don't log that as cross-country time even though it would be legal to since I'm using the time toward my ATP.

(3) Cross-country time means—
(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—
(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;
(B) Conducted in an aircraft;
(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(iii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate (except for powered parachute privileges), time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that—
(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(iv) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate with powered parachute privileges or a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute category rating, time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that—
(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 15 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(v) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for any pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category rating or an instrument-helicopter rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges, in a rotorcraft, under §61.101(c), time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
(vii) For a military pilot who qualifies for a commercial pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating) under §61.73 of this part, time acquired during a flight—
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.

I hope you didn't take the time to personally type all that. If so, someone on this forum owes you a 12 pack.

Also, is your avatar a picture of you in the Falcon?

Rawhide16 09-16-2008 05:44 PM

No, it's not me. It's a block 50 from Cannon AFB in New Mexico which is no longer a Viper base. I'm still just a lowly Viper student.

rickair7777 09-16-2008 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 461687)
Solo+PIC+DUAL received+SIC = TT.

Mine doesn't add up this way...my solo is also PIC.

rickair7777 09-16-2008 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by aviator77 (Post 462069)
Straight from the regs:

(h) Logging training time. (1) A person may log training time when that person receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device.
(2) The training time must be logged in a logbook and must:
(i) Be endorsed in a legible manner by the authorized instructor; and
(ii) Include a description of the training given, the length of the training lesson, and the authorized instructor's signature, certificate number, and certificate expiration date

You may log it that way, and people do but i recommend to those starting out that they keep things as simple as possible to avoid having to do a lot of pre-interview math, or worse, confusing an interviewer.

the King 09-16-2008 07:53 PM

Yeah, logging sim time as instrument is A) redundant and B) not flight time
If you are using a sim in training, you can be pretty sure it's for instrument training. Since most companies want to know how much time you have flying in the airplane while actual or under the hood, it makes little sense (and lots of headaches) to log sim time as instrument time.

Bernoulli Fan 09-17-2008 01:05 PM

Hopefully any 121 interviewer, after seeing hundreds of logbooks, understands that the regulations allow time to be logged in nonsensical ways.

While you can legitimately and legally log anything the regs allow you to, if you know you're headed for a 121 career, it might be wise to keep separate totals in a spreadsheet for things like the simultaneous dual received/PIC question. That way you can do the math along the way and not have hours of adding to do the night before your first interview.

CRMcaptain 09-21-2008 08:51 AM

Ok ... so now I have to correct the last entry in my logbook. The issue is that the wrong entry was the last entry on that page. So my question is:

Do I add that do the total time and make a correction on the next page total time after I create a correction entry. Or do I just cross it over and don't add it to total time?

floridaCFII 09-21-2008 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by CRMcaptain (Post 465822)
Ok ... so now I have to correct the last entry in my logbook. The issue is that the wrong entry was the last entry on that page. So my question is:

Do I add that do the total time and make a correction on the next page total time after I create a correction entry. Or do I just cross it over and don't add it to total time?

I would just cross it out, initial it, and add the times correctly. I would only use the correction entry if it would otherwise require you to re-total multiple pages.

multipilot 09-21-2008 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by floridaCFII (Post 461709)
Just goes to show you that depending on who you ask (even/especially with the FAA), you'll always get 5 different answers :D

Very true. :D

Flyboyxc91 09-29-2014 06:44 PM

THREAD RESURRECTION :)

I have flown a Red Bird FTD a couple hours just to see what it was about. I am making sure it was logged correctly by the CFII giving me the required checkout. He logged it in my logbook as "Ground Trainer" which I am assuming translates to equal FTD time. He also did log it as TT which I was questioning but he was the Expert not me. Anyway I have read this thread some and I believe it says DONT log TT from the FTD training...? What about when it's for the instrument rating? 20 hours can be used toward it in sim so wouldn't this throw off the TT calculation equation?


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