clearance Class B
 

You get an IFR clearance to an airport that lies under a class B shelf. Your route and filed initial altitude would take you through the B airspace.

Is your initial clearance, also clearance to enter the B airspace?

Yes, your clearance that you recieve is just that, a clearance, as long as you comply with that you are OK. No need for another clearance to enter class B.

One of the things that gets you cleared into B is having a clearance that puts you into it. For example... headings or altitudes. So to recap, you wont hear cleared into B if you are getting vectors through it.

I departed EWR years ago VFR. EWR is a class B airport, they switched me to LGA's ATC and they said "remain clear of class B". I said I'm already in it and my clearance for takeoff from class B is a class B clearance. They said to descend below class B. I did, but I thought that was funny. I was never out of class B. :rolleyes:

Under IFR, yes. You do not need specific clearance into the B while IFR...if your cleared route or vectors take you there, that is an implied clearance.

Under VFR, you MUST hear the magic words "cleared into the LAX class B airspace" prior to entering.

IFR, yes.

VFR, no, you need to hear the magic words..

+1, went into Las Vegas class B yesterday VFR. Received vectors and altitude assignments going into North Las Vegas airport. Never heard "Cleared through the Las Vegas class B airspace."

IFR, you get a clearance and if you go through it, you're already cleared. Although, PHX Tracon gave me a crossing restriction once going into SDL that kept me out of the Bravo.

I just notices that the poster says he's instrument rated. Is it me or are these two questions surprisingly basic for someone who already has the rating?

That's not uncommon in SOCAL either. However...the specific B clearance is legally required. If you don't get it on tape and the controller screws up his separation with an airliner...they will come looking for him. At that point he has an easy out...YOU were not cleared into the B. Even if ATC gives a heading and ALT that will take you into B, you are not supposed to enter until you get the B clearance.

I have a buddy at SOCAL...he said some controllers just skip the clearance because they are busy or lazy. Others deliberately omit it to give themselves an out if some confused PPL creates a separation problem.

If you fly VFR into B, better get it on tape if you are a professional.

IFR, it is implied.

yeah, they are kinda basic noygonnadoit.

I understand what Rickair is saying. With vectors or clearances, IFR the class B clearance is implied. Again use the example in my original post. You are cleared to an airport underlying class B airpspace. Your original clearance on the ground was a route and altitude that does not penetrate class B. During the flight ATC assigns you a higher altitude that will put you into the class B. If i understand their is no need for a class B clearance because the assigned altitude was the clearance.