clearance Class B
05-29-2009 | 06:58 AM
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clearance Class B
You get an IFR clearance to an airport that lies under a class B shelf. Your route and filed initial altitude would take you through the B airspace.
Is your initial clearance, also clearance to enter the B airspace?
Is your initial clearance, also clearance to enter the B airspace?
05-29-2009 | 08:20 AM
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I departed EWR years ago VFR. EWR is a class B airport, they switched me to LGA's ATC and they said "remain clear of class B". I said I'm already in it and my clearance for takeoff from class B is a class B clearance. They said to descend below class B. I did, but I thought that was funny. I was never out of class B. 
05-29-2009 | 08:47 AM
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Under VFR, you MUST hear the magic words "cleared into the LAX class B airspace" prior to entering.
05-29-2009 | 08:48 AM
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05-29-2009 | 09:17 AM
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IFR, you get a clearance and if you go through it, you're already cleared. Although, PHX Tracon gave me a crossing restriction once going into SDL that kept me out of the Bravo.
05-29-2009 | 11:00 AM
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I have a buddy at SOCAL...he said some controllers just skip the clearance because they are busy or lazy. Others deliberately omit it to give themselves an out if some confused PPL creates a separation problem.
If you fly VFR into B, better get it on tape if you are a professional.
IFR, it is implied.
05-29-2009 | 03:21 PM
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yeah, they are kinda basic noygonnadoit.
I understand what Rickair is saying. With vectors or clearances, IFR the class B clearance is implied. Again use the example in my original post. You are cleared to an airport underlying class B airpspace. Your original clearance on the ground was a route and altitude that does not penetrate class B. During the flight ATC assigns you a higher altitude that will put you into the class B. If i understand their is no need for a class B clearance because the assigned altitude was the clearance.
I understand what Rickair is saying. With vectors or clearances, IFR the class B clearance is implied. Again use the example in my original post. You are cleared to an airport underlying class B airpspace. Your original clearance on the ground was a route and altitude that does not penetrate class B. During the flight ATC assigns you a higher altitude that will put you into the class B. If i understand their is no need for a class B clearance because the assigned altitude was the clearance.
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