Mesa Pilot Development
06-07-2006, 03:11 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It would be absolutely impossible for any AWA pilot to not know about Mesa...their two bases are PHX and LAS, and at each of those airports they share numerous ramps, concourses, and gates with mesa to the tune of hundreds of daily flights. We often use the same ops, ramp, and gate personnel. Mesa and cactus ops are extremely integrated. Hundreds of mesa crews deadhead on cactus each week.
06-07-2006, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BURflyer
You know what, EngineOut the experience you get at MPD isn't worth anything, in the real world you wouldn't be able to find a CFI spot at a mom and pop flight school let alone be able to fly regional jets.
Plus think about it, if an airline is willing to hire 300 hour guys, that kind of shows how ****ty the airline is doesn't it? Do you want to work at a ****ty airline?
11-17-2006, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It would be absolutely impossible for any AWA pilot to not know about Mesa...their two bases are PHX and LAS, and at each of those airports they share numerous ramps, concourses, and gates with mesa to the tune of hundreds of daily flights. We often use the same ops, ramp, and gate personnel. Mesa and cactus ops are extremely integrated. Hundreds of mesa crews deadhead on cactus each week.If that conversation actually occured with actual cactus pilots then they were most certainly being obtuse...
Since Mesa is the third or fourth largest jet regional, most mainline pilots at any airline are aware of them...this business is a small world, although your statements lead me to believe that you would have no way of knowing that.
11-18-2006, 12:36 AM
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Mesa Pilot Development vs.. Consider Comair Academy
Great discussion here. People can say what they want about these programs but in the end they are no different than going to Embry Riddle, Purdue University, or any other professional aviation type curriculum where most of our Pilots are comming from nowadays anyway. And bottom line is... these guys get hired.
In fact many opponents of these things I think are just frankly jealous and ****ed off because these guys get hired.. while they aren't. I know a handful of really ****ed of 35 year old CFI's with 1000 total time and 100 multi who can't even get an interview for flying Caravans. They are really good at holding an airspeed in a C-152 but couldn't brief you on an approach plate to LGA to save their life.
Paying your dues as a CRJ FO makes a lot more sense than spending 7 days a week flying C-152's. Also I should mention that 8 of the guys in my friends ERJ Class at Chitaqua were from the Delta COnnection Academy.
In addition another friend went through DCA when it was called Comair Academy... he was a first officer for Comair on the Brasilia and still wasn't even old enough to buy a beer. Now he's flying for a major airline upgrading to Captain in 2 months (MD-11). He's barely 30 years old.
Mesa sounds great I know a little bit about it but not too too much so check it out. And on top of that DEFINATLEY check out Delta Connection academy they will fly you down for free. These programs average 85k start to finish. Mesa is cheaper i think in the 60k range.
In fact many opponents of these things I think are just frankly jealous and ****ed off because these guys get hired.. while they aren't. I know a handful of really ****ed of 35 year old CFI's with 1000 total time and 100 multi who can't even get an interview for flying Caravans. They are really good at holding an airspeed in a C-152 but couldn't brief you on an approach plate to LGA to save their life.
Paying your dues as a CRJ FO makes a lot more sense than spending 7 days a week flying C-152's. Also I should mention that 8 of the guys in my friends ERJ Class at Chitaqua were from the Delta COnnection Academy.
In addition another friend went through DCA when it was called Comair Academy... he was a first officer for Comair on the Brasilia and still wasn't even old enough to buy a beer. Now he's flying for a major airline upgrading to Captain in 2 months (MD-11). He's barely 30 years old.
Mesa sounds great I know a little bit about it but not too too much so check it out. And on top of that DEFINATLEY check out Delta Connection academy they will fly you down for free. These programs average 85k start to finish. Mesa is cheaper i think in the 60k range.
11-19-2006, 07:28 PM
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In addition another friend went through DCA when it was called Comair Academy... he was a first officer for Comair on the Brasilia and still wasn't even old enough to buy a beer. Now he's flying for a major airline upgrading to Captain in 2 months (MD-11). He's barely 30 years old.
Wouldnt happen nowadays. You failed to mention that little event that took place in new york five years ago.
Wouldnt happen nowadays. You failed to mention that little event that took place in new york five years ago.
11-20-2006, 04:27 AM
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I believe that in five years most regional new hires will come from either an academy style flight school or college affiliated program. It makes sense to have pilots begin even primary training using airline style language and procedures. The modern automated airliner really flies itself. Experience like in the past isn't needed anymore.
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