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Old 07-16-2006, 06:49 AM
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So, Skyhigh. WHat is your suggestion? That we all forget about flying and o something else?
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Old 07-16-2006, 07:36 AM
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So, Skyhigh. WHat is your suggestion? That we all forget about flying and o something else?

My suggestion is to alert pilots to the phenomenon and to prepare themselves. Flying is still very dangerous and should be approached with caution. Often the biggest threat is ourselves.

Now if the topic is lifestyle, family, income or happiness I would suggest running like the wind from flying altogether.

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Old 07-16-2006, 07:38 AM
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I would think that the "bad apples" would economically weed themselves out over time. How do these operators continue to insure their airplanes/cargo? If the insurance carriers would move to offer incentives for 135 operations that are "good", then those carriers could potentially 1) lower rates for the same flying yet maintain profit margins or 2) keep rates the same and increase margins due to lower insurance cost.
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I would think that the "bad apples" would economically weed themselves out over time. How do these operators continue to insure their airplanes/cargo? If the insurance carriers would move to offer incentives for 135 operations that are "good", then those carriers could potentially 1) lower rates for the same flying yet maintain profit margins or 2) keep rates the same and increase margins due to lower insurance cost.

It isn't about any "bad" companies. The problem is with the culture of risk that is associated with cargo and bush style flying. It is important to accept a higher level of risk in order to get the mission done however sometimes pilots can become seduced by the thrills or can become greedy about flight time.

The risk to insurance companies is low since there are no passengers and rarely any ground losses. Most of these operators have a difficult time justifying their own existence. In the modern highway and Internet world the advantage of air cargo on a local level is becoming harder to sell. If they were to aggressively push safety the resulting loss of business might just do them in.

In the end it is up to the PIC. They are the ones who applied for the job and accepted the flight. Everyone knows that the planes are older and have a higher failure rate. The price of newer planes would probably mean the end of the business. If you were to ask most cargo pilots I am sure that everyone would say that they are appreciative of the opportunity in spite of the risks.

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Old 07-16-2006, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Now if the topic is lifestyle, family, income or happiness I would suggest running like the wind from flying altogether.

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This coming from someone who isn't a professional pilot anymore (not trying to be negative, just pointing it out). I know you had bad times and got out, but it isn't that way for everyone. I wonder what people who are flying for a living would think about this. Those of you who are flying for an airline, do you agree with this?
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This coming from someone who isn't a professional pilot anymore (not trying to be negative, just pointing it out). I know you had bad times and got out, but it isn't that way for everyone. I wonder what people who are flying for a living would think about this. Those of you who are flying for an airline, do you agree with this?

You are right I did hear of a guy once who didn't mind the lifestyle. He was an AvDork who lived with his mother. Just kidding

In summary; imagine missing every major holiday, important friend and family event and weekends for the rest of your working life. You are awake when everyone else is asleep and are trying to sleep while the world is buzzing. After a few years the friends and family that you have left will all be buying homes, taking fancy vacations and building families while you decay in a two bedroom apartment with 6 other room mates. Every few years you get furloughed, transferred or take a new job. All this for 20K per year. After five to ten years you hopefully will upgrade and begin to gain enough seniority to a point where you can recover some of your life. Perhaps you could even earn as much as a postman, construction laborer or garbageman? If you get lucky someday you might get picked up by a major and you get to start all over again.

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More and more Skyhigh, I'm beginning to think that you didn't know about the "being away" aspect of ANY aviation industry job.

It's part of the industry, some of us can deal with it, some of us can't. . .you appear to be one of them that couldn't deal with it. Good for you.
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Old 07-16-2006, 06:26 PM
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More and more Skyhigh, I'm beginning to think that you didn't know about the "being away" aspect of ANY aviation industry job.

It's part of the industry, some of us can deal with it, some of us can't. . .you appear to be one of them that couldn't deal with it. Good for you.
I guess I miss your point but I was not happy with being away. I understand that it was a part of the job but being gone two thirds of the time is not fun at all. Especially after you have a family it becomes torture.

When I started out on the path to become a professional pilot it was with the intent of having a better life than had I stayed in construction. Back then Airline Pilots earned more, were off a lot more and were generally respected by society. It makes no sense at all to blow the cost of a house on training and education to earn less than a garbageman and to be gone for most of your life. If that is the life that you are striving for then good for you. Someone has to do it I guess. Better you than me.

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Old 07-16-2006, 10:50 PM
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More people will be killed by lightning strikes in the US this year alone than the last 6 years in cargo planes. With that said that doesn't mean it is aweful that people are dying. What is needed more than anything is a little common sense. It's one thing to be the first of a string of accidents but if there has been a past problem and they haven't been addressed why put your life on the line?
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Originally Posted by SkyHawg
More people will be killed by lightning strikes in the US this year alone than the last 6 years in cargo planes. With that said that doesn't mean it is aweful that people are dying. What is needed more than anything is a little common sense. It's one thing to be the first of a string of accidents but if there has been a past problem and they haven't been addressed why put your life on the line?

I don't get your point. If you are trying to say that it is rare to die in a cargo plane crash I would disagree.

Most of these guys do the job since it is what is available. When you get out of ATP and realize that there are few jobs perhaps you too will look to cargo. A mistake would be to think you are smarter than the other guys.

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