Unless there's something you know that a whole community of thousands of pilots don't know who do overhead patterns almost everyday and in some cases right front of the FAA with no problems...

Care to actually provide a reference?

fyi - the rule is above 200kts (which makes 200kts ok - albeit close), our breaks are not more than 60 degrees. Coincidently the tower approves it every time... and I can't even recall being denied.

So if you have a real reference that says civilian aircraft are prohibited from doing overhead patterns.. I'll be glad to share it with our whole community... if not....:)

If you're keeping under 200kts and 60 degrees you're fine, although in total violation of the AIM on how to enter a traffic pattern.

Sorry, when you talk about an over head I'm thinking 350+ and ripping it off at the numbers. Breaking at 190 knots kind of defeats the purpose.

Can't really 'totally violate' a 'recommended' entry



Which is why no one ever did overheads before the F/A-18;)


The 'purpose' of doing it for us...is just some formation spacing - and of course because it's fun...

No - in the days before that people came in alot faster. :D
350kts came into being with Flight Life Extension.
It is basically turning to downwind nowdays. :(


It is fun though isn't it? I like seeing the bigger planes coming in for the break - C-130s or P-3s and such.

USMCFLYR

Truth be told.. I very much envy the 350kts:D... and the F/A-18

I've heard through the rumor mill that they have been limiting the T-34C break to something like 2g:(....have you heard that?

If you have been doing 60 deb AOB breks in the warbirds you have been flying, then the T-34C breaks aren't going to be impressing you if they are the same as they were back in my day. NAS Whiting Field was limited to 30 deg AOB and down in Corpus Christi - well we were crazy and went ALL THE WAY up to 45 deg AOB for our breaks! :rolleyes:
Maybe Bunk will pipe up here and give us the latest intel on what is/was happening in the T-34 world.
Hello Bunk.....wake up from the Soju Bunk.

USMCFLYR

USMC fear not, the sh1it hot is still alive and well at the boat. My personal best was about 550 kts .5 astern. My roommate on the boat routinely pulled off the evil break (600+ kts, .6 astern, 600 feet). Somewhere on you tube there's a hud tape from a Hornet in the break at the boat at .98 and 500'. I've recently seen guys inside the initial with the shock cone coming off the jet.

At the field.... yeah not so much.


Ryan make sure you take that attitude with you to Primary. Your IP's will love you.

My last indian territory was Key West. It has been awhile though honestly. I got my high speed, high G kick out of LATT :D
I heard some recent news/rumor that many legacy Hornets were going the way of the Prowler with the G limits. I did my best to leave the next generation with something to fly ;)

Last guy I knew doing 0.99 at the field (on purpose) broke the number in the carrier break at NAS Cecil Field after a RAG FCLP period! He *barely* kept his wings - and that was only because the MATSG CO stood up for him. Nowdays - - probably not so much.

USMCFLYR

Yeah, bringing the "Hornet Hum" into the field is not recommended anymore. You can't even do anything at civil fields anymore, less you be put on you tube and FNAEB'd.

Our CAG gave guys free reign around the boat to "operate within their abilities." The second you tried to rip off a SHB and got the WOP you were done for, although I don't think anyone did. No one hung themselves with the rope we were given.