Not even a pilot yet
04-21-2010, 07:08 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
I did a search on controller.com and found 236 listings between $40k-$60k, there are some twins there.
Singles C210, Cherokee 6, bonanza maybe(but not with 6 seats I don't think)
Twins B55 baron, Aztec, Seneca, C310.
$50k budget is going to be tough to find a "nice" plane with that many seats, you would really need a $100k budget or better to get a decent plane, then double that for operational costs the next 5 years to be safe IMO.
I would advise a more long term budgeting, because purchase price is one thing, operating an aircraft it another. Low-time pilots insurance can be $5k/yr or higher if you go high-performance/complex/twin. Add hanger, annuals, plus any other Mx problems, it adds up fast!
The charter idea IMO is just not the right time for you. You need to educate yourself a little more in what it takes to start one, or even how one operates. It takes years to get a certificate started, do you have the ability to hold out that long?
Singles C210, Cherokee 6, bonanza maybe(but not with 6 seats I don't think)
Twins B55 baron, Aztec, Seneca, C310.
$50k budget is going to be tough to find a "nice" plane with that many seats, you would really need a $100k budget or better to get a decent plane, then double that for operational costs the next 5 years to be safe IMO.
I would advise a more long term budgeting, because purchase price is one thing, operating an aircraft it another. Low-time pilots insurance can be $5k/yr or higher if you go high-performance/complex/twin. Add hanger, annuals, plus any other Mx problems, it adds up fast!
The charter idea IMO is just not the right time for you. You need to educate yourself a little more in what it takes to start one, or even how one operates. It takes years to get a certificate started, do you have the ability to hold out that long?
I just was able to broker an older B55 with 700 SFRM on both, beautiful aircraft... couple speed mods... I was getting around 210 KTAS on around 24 GPH total. The owner paid $55k for it. (and yes, everything worked) but it didn't have any fancy stuff just the standard plus King set, and KLN 89B
Little cramped for 6 people... but it was quick and handled nice n' crisp!!
Wouldn't recommend it as a first twin though
04-22-2010, 07:23 AM
#24
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Here is the current plan.
Step 1 Pull my head out
step 2 get my private license
step 3 talk to as many people in the industry, aircraft owners, and charter pilots/companies as I can while getting my license
Step 4 decide after I get my license what kind of plane to buy and what I should be doing.
Thanks for all the advice it has given me lots of things to think about that I didn't know before.
I would still like get my commercial license and I am ok with having to struggle for 5 - 10 years to get a solid career. I will have to start at the bottom no matter what I get into as I don't have "life career skills". I have plenty of labor skills like welding equipment operating and the like, I don't have any "degree" skills.
I have talked to my parents and my wife and they all understand that this will not be a get rich quick scheme, I will still work for the family company in my off time.
Mike
Step 1 Pull my head out
step 2 get my private license
step 3 talk to as many people in the industry, aircraft owners, and charter pilots/companies as I can while getting my license
Step 4 decide after I get my license what kind of plane to buy and what I should be doing.
Thanks for all the advice it has given me lots of things to think about that I didn't know before.
I would still like get my commercial license and I am ok with having to struggle for 5 - 10 years to get a solid career. I will have to start at the bottom no matter what I get into as I don't have "life career skills". I have plenty of labor skills like welding equipment operating and the like, I don't have any "degree" skills.
I have talked to my parents and my wife and they all understand that this will not be a get rich quick scheme, I will still work for the family company in my off time.
Mike
04-22-2010, 11:18 AM
#25
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Good plan! Aviation is one of those things that takes awhile to really learn not only the flying, but really how the whole thing works. Plus, it's ever-changing anyways, so tomorrow's issues haven't even come up yet. Saving some money now, could pay off huge tomorrow.
As a starter, buying a trainer and building your hours that way wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. You would at least know who's responsible for the aircraft etc... Then when you are ready to move up, you have something that you are already familiar with in the process and can make more educated decisions. For $50k you can get a decent Cherokee 180 or C172 that should have some good avionics and respectable paint/interior. Be a great way to start your training in, nothing too extreme, but yet a practical plane to build some time in and get your base level experience. If you went this route, I'd get something that is appropriately equipped for IFR flying so you can get that rating knocked out in this plane also.
As a starter, buying a trainer and building your hours that way wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. You would at least know who's responsible for the aircraft etc... Then when you are ready to move up, you have something that you are already familiar with in the process and can make more educated decisions. For $50k you can get a decent Cherokee 180 or C172 that should have some good avionics and respectable paint/interior. Be a great way to start your training in, nothing too extreme, but yet a practical plane to build some time in and get your base level experience. If you went this route, I'd get something that is appropriately equipped for IFR flying so you can get that rating knocked out in this plane also.
04-27-2010, 06:06 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by ryan1234
I just was able to broker an older B55 with 700 SFRM on both, beautiful aircraft... couple speed mods... I was getting around 210 KTAS on around 24 GPH total.
There is no way a B55 goes 210KTAS on 24gph. It will fly at 24gph at 180-190KTAS and it will fly 210KTAS at 40gph with IO-520's or -550's.
Not both at the same time, except in the descent
04-28-2010, 10:06 AM
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Buy a Cessna 150 instead.
Lower your aim and consider buying a Cessna 150 instead. Flight time in a C210 and C150 count for the same however the 150 is fantastically less expensive.
The plan seems sound however I would buy a 150 and move up from there after you have your commercial and a few hundred hours. And don't ever buy a twin.
Skyhigh
The plan seems sound however I would buy a 150 and move up from there after you have your commercial and a few hundred hours. And don't ever buy a twin.
Skyhigh
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