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Old 12-13-2008, 06:10 PM   #1  
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given that a rating is defined in 1.1 as a statement that, as a part of a certificate, sets forth special conditions, privileges, or limitations. I am wondering if the new SIC type would constitute as an allowance that the holder is now "rated" in that aircraft, and could now log PIC if manipulating the controls. Id love to hear a logical thought on this
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given that a rating is defined in 1.1 as a statement that, as a part of a certificate, sets forth special conditions, privileges, or limitations. I am wondering if the new SIC type would constitute as an allowance that the holder is now "rated" in that aircraft, and could now log PIC if manipulating the controls. Id love to hear a logical thought on this
Nope. Since you are not rated to serve as PIC, thou shalt not log PIC. Assuming that a type rating is required.
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I think a lot of people are going to say "log what you want, but good luck at your next interview".
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I 'see any requirement to have a PIC rating. just a rating... and hotelmode, I know where you're coming from... but if the regs allow it, there shouldn't be any explanation necessary.
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wow, that was terrible... that would be "don't see any".
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SIC type-rating is a ICAO term and not a FAA. Only needed with a FAA license when you fly into a ICAO territory. It has no meaning to the FAA.

http://web.nbaa.org/admin/personnel/...630-05-113.pdf
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given that a rating is defined in 1.1 as a statement that, as a part of a certificate, sets forth special conditions, privileges, or limitations. I am wondering if the new SIC type would constitute as an allowance that the holder is now "rated" in that aircraft, and could now log PIC if manipulating the controls. Id love to hear a logical thought on this
The SIC type rating does not mean jack $h!! Its an ICAO item outlined in 14 CFR 61.55 b(7) There is no practical test required for the issuance of the “SIC Privileges Only” pilot type rating because it is not required while operating within the US.

given that a rating is defined in 1.1 as a statement that, as a part of a certificate, sets forth special conditions, privileges, or limitations. I am wondering if the new SIC type would constitute as an allowance that the holder is now "rated" in that aircraft, and could now log PIC if manipulating the controls. Id love to hear a logical thought on this

From section (e) of 61.55
(7) There is no practical test required for the issuance of the “SIC Privileges Only” pilot type rating.

But like one said, do what you want---it all comes down to the interview. If you have an SIC type rating and are logging PIC, then by all means use your "I dont see any requirement to have a PIC rating...." and see where it goes from there. You may win them over, you may not. But I would bet my bottom dollar that interview would not last long thereafter.

You also would be setting your self up for a real nut buster of embarrassment by having them show you your (or in this case-lack thereof) your FAR 135.293 form. That waiver for them to access your PRIA records (which Im certain) people sign during the application process will show them what flight checks you have, or have not taken. If you cannot produce a valid 135.293 which is the PIC Instrument proficiency check, then it might be difficult to explain why you were logging PIC time without being qualified. And yes, this form lets you know if you are or are not QUALIFIED.
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As previously stated this is an ICAO stipulation, since a type rating is required for both pilots in europe, ICAO created an "SIC type." This gives employers "leverage" because they don't want to give a PIC type to all pilots because than they are marketable to go elsewhere.
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i'm with you, and I understand, but its on the certificate and complies with the definition now doesn't it? I am PIC typed, and not trying to weasel in a back door somewhere...I am just curious
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tflyer70, you're Terasaki aren't ya
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