King Air SIC
06-24-2010, 05:10 AM
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No.
As much weight as they carry, so far anyway, an insurance requirement does not constitute a "regulation" for the purposes of the 61.51(f) SIC logging requirement that
"more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted"
IOW, an insurance requirement is not an FAR or a mandatory OpSpec requirement.
There may be some other basis for logging SIC time, such as an IFR passenger flight under Part 135, but for plan vanilla Part 61 ops, no.
As much weight as they carry, so far anyway, an insurance requirement does not constitute a "regulation" for the purposes of the 61.51(f) SIC logging requirement that
"more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted"
IOW, an insurance requirement is not an FAR or a mandatory OpSpec requirement.
There may be some other basis for logging SIC time, such as an IFR passenger flight under Part 135, but for plan vanilla Part 61 ops, no.
06-24-2010, 05:14 AM
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Negative, no, nein, never..... But you can log any time you are the sole manipulator.
Now a better question, what if someone wants to just log it as TT only, not broken down as SIC or PIC(mainly the SIC situation, but they are doing work in that seat, just not flying)
Now a better question, what if someone wants to just log it as TT only, not broken down as SIC or PIC(mainly the SIC situation, but they are doing work in that seat, just not flying)
06-24-2010, 06:46 AM
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If the Ops Specs require a second in command, you should be able to log SIC time regardless of whether you have a type rating or not. I have 1700 hours of SIC time in a 737 without a type rating. Having SIC's typed in domestic operations at the major airlines is a relatively new thing.
06-24-2010, 06:56 AM
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You can log SIC if you are operating under 135, and the operator does not operate under the autopilot in lieu of second in command 135 reg (135.105). The SIC would also have to pass a 135 checkride (not type ride) in the aircraft in order to act as SIC and log the time as such.
06-24-2010, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
Negative, no, nein, never..... But you can log any time you are the sole manipulator.
Now a better question, what if someone wants to just log it as TT only, not broken down as SIC or PIC(mainly the SIC situation, but they are doing work in that seat, just not flying)
Now a better question, what if someone wants to just log it as TT only, not broken down as SIC or PIC(mainly the SIC situation, but they are doing work in that seat, just not flying)
My personal take is that, unless you can fit into a 61.51 "box" or the general definition of "flight time" (essentially meaning required crew in this context) you simply don't have any loggable flight time of any kind.
06-26-2010, 05:44 PM
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Depending on the type of King Air from time to time you may find a pilot in the left seat of a King Air who has a PIC type rating that says "SIC Required" on it, common in the 1900 and 350, not sure about the rest. In this case you could log the SIC time under Part 91. Also if you hold a type on the aircraft (PIC or SIC, as outlined in 61.5(b)(7)) then you can log all time as sole manipulator as PIC time though you are not the acting PIC. Any aircraft under 12.5 (King Air 90, not requiring a type AFAIK) you can log all sole manipulator time as PIC.
As far as logging it under 135 if lieu of an Autopilot, have you completed company training? Are you a listed pilot with the company? You can't just pull someone off the street and throw them in the right seat, pull the A/P CB and start logging time. It has to be in the company manual that you are using the "FO in lieu of AP" reg, otherwise it's not approved.
As far as logging it under 135 if lieu of an Autopilot, have you completed company training? Are you a listed pilot with the company? You can't just pull someone off the street and throw them in the right seat, pull the A/P CB and start logging time. It has to be in the company manual that you are using the "FO in lieu of AP" reg, otherwise it's not approved.
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