New training-Cessna feels weird
07-02-2011, 12:13 PM
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Youwill find that over time the control cables get a little slack in them. That means newer ones are tight and older ones have miniscule amounts of play in em. I have a LOT moe time in old 172's than I do in new ones. I never really noticed a difference in the flying characterists, except the newer 180hp ones climb a little better on a hot day.
07-02-2011, 02:21 PM
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Bungees and Aileron/Rudder Interconnect
It has been a long time since I flew a Cessna, but I am pretty certain they use a rubber bungee to interconnect the rudder to the ailerons. This allows people who have no concept of how to use a rudder to get some rudder during aileron input. The bungee is overridable by guys with proper experience.
I would guess: older airplanes--the bungee is stretched, and soft. Newer airplanes: still pretty stiff.
Couple that with tight control cables (not stretched yet), and yes, the new airplane could feel different---heavier.
I would guess: older airplanes--the bungee is stretched, and soft. Newer airplanes: still pretty stiff.
Couple that with tight control cables (not stretched yet), and yes, the new airplane could feel different---heavier.
07-03-2011, 12:32 AM
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To the OP: while my experience in Skyhawks is limited without a doubt if your "new" instructor feels like you are a horrible pilot and hates his job DO NOT fly with him/her again...it will be a waste of your money and time. There may be some subtle differences with the newer aircraft and a truly experienced and professional instructor will explain them to you. It's unfortunate that instructors like this ruin it for those of us that really do understand what it means to be a professional instructor.
07-05-2011, 01:20 PM
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My school has both the older P models and the 2003 R models of the 172. They do feel slightly different in the control forces and flight characteristics. But I think that might be due to the difference in age.
I've noticed in our old 152's that every single one has a different feel. I call it the personality of the airplane. Over the years control wires have stretched, been fixed, and this has resulted in no two airplane being alike. I can almost close my eyes while flying and tell you which of the 12 152's that my school has that I'm flying.
The newer R models are completely indistinguishable from each other. They all feel exactly the same, maybe a little bit more sluggish than the other 172's. They are easier to fly smoother too.
I've noticed in our old 152's that every single one has a different feel. I call it the personality of the airplane. Over the years control wires have stretched, been fixed, and this has resulted in no two airplane being alike. I can almost close my eyes while flying and tell you which of the 12 152's that my school has that I'm flying.
The newer R models are completely indistinguishable from each other. They all feel exactly the same, maybe a little bit more sluggish than the other 172's. They are easier to fly smoother too.
07-07-2011, 07:29 AM
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so had a talk with the CFI about how I'm not learning anything.. this time he was very laid back and cool, I had a great flight, and turns out I was right about something being wrong.. the right rudder when applied isn't letting go, it is getting stuck!
07-07-2011, 11:19 AM
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Not sure how many hours the 2004 skyhawk your flying has? but...what Walkeraviation said, the newer ones can be 'different' from older ones. we had everything from 6000 hour plus M and N model skyhawks up to a 2008 SP with very few hours on it. You'll find the oder ones fly a little differently from the new aircraft. Theres a couple of rubber bushing and metal bearings in the control column that tend to 'wear' as they age making the older skyhawks feel 'responsive' or looser in a good way, and the new ones with tight bushings and bearings a little numb when it comes to feeling the aircraft. Cable tension and pulley bearings get 'broken-in' over time.
Spend more time in the new airplane. you'll get used to it.
Spend more time in the new airplane. you'll get used to it.
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