VFR on a Moonless Night over Ocean
07-06-2011 | 05:31 PM
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I am not entirely sure, I doubt it. Consider this question: can you fly in IMC in uncontrolled airspace (no flight plan required) and log the instrument time?
07-06-2011 | 07:06 PM
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Does your logbook have a column for what type flight plan you filed? Now logging actual without an instrument ticket... that could pose problems.
07-07-2011 | 12:01 AM
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What class airspace were you in? G?
There are many debates on the subject, but I believe you can legally fly (and log) in IMC in uncontrolled airspace; obviously without the clearence.
It is a completely differnet discussion as to whether that is a good idea or not.
There are many debates on the subject, but I believe you can legally fly (and log) in IMC in uncontrolled airspace; obviously without the clearence.
It is a completely differnet discussion as to whether that is a good idea or not.
07-07-2011 | 08:37 AM
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"Many pilots do not know that IFR flight without a
clearance is permitted in uncontrolled airspace,
provided that the pilot is instrument-rated and the
aircraft is equipped for instrument flight."clearance is permitted in uncontrolled airspace,
provided that the pilot is instrument-rated and the
BTW I was in Class E airspace...
07-07-2011 | 08:40 AM
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Ahhh, I see your point.. Since my logbook has no such column as to what type of flight plan was filed, I can log the Actual Time without worrying about it.
07-07-2011 | 08:48 AM
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Now you know what happened to JFK Jr. Overwater flight, day or night, is not really a place for the non-instrument rated. If you think that's dark, try 1800 miles off shore at 1200' under an over cast on a moonless night. You may as well just paint the windows black, you'd never know the difference.
07-07-2011 | 12:50 PM
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Marshall radial, what marshall radial?
, I lucked out flying the mighty Orion instead of going to the boat, and they still made me a DH, go figure. Per diem ain't what it used to be when you live in a tent or a CLU through deployment. Oh well.
07-07-2011 | 01:04 PM
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07-09-2011 | 09:08 AM
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First, it is NOT possible to get a clearance in Class G airspace--ATC doesn't have authority in Class G, it is uncontrolled. Indeed, one can fly IFR in Class G, done all the time in parts of Canada, Australia, most of Africa.
Second, night VFR still requires the pilot to see and avoid clouds, not easy and an argument for flying IFR.
Third, yes you can refuse the ATC clearance if it puts over water, BUT ATC cannot issue a clearance that puts you in Special Use Airspace which is common in the Gulf, NAS Key West, for example. Might try filing to Marathon and then refiling to FLL, but changing destination might be frowned upon in today's security world. The problem is the routing you want is thru MIA Approach and the ATC LOA probably requires a routing west of it. I know I've never approached the NAS from anywhere other than over Ft Myers vicinity or departed northbound any other way.
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First, it is NOT possible to get a clearance in Class G airspace--ATC doesn't have authority in Class G, it is uncontrolled. Indeed, one can fly IFR in Class G, done all the time in parts of Canada, Australia, most of Africa.
Second, night VFR still requires the pilot to see and avoid clouds, not easy and an argument for flying IFR.
Third, yes you can refuse the ATC clearance if it puts over water, BUT ATC cannot issue a clearance that puts you in Special Use Airspace which is common in the Gulf, NAS Key West, for example. Might try filing to Marathon and then refiling to FLL, but changing destination might be frowned upon in today's security world. The problem is the routing you want is thru MIA Approach and the ATC LOA probably requires a routing west of it. I know I've never approached the NAS from anywhere other than over Ft Myers vicinity or departed northbound any other way.
GF
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