astec

delte thanx

Uncle Bose

You're right, I meant third tier.

Now, I said "he should look elsewhere" and you said
Naturally, I took this as implying that he need not look further than UND, even though you followed immediately with "You should definitely look around, but also consider UND."
Silly arguments over semantics and context aside, there's no reason to pay out-of-state tuition, or even to consider doing so, for UND.

I'm doing my masters at the University of Florida, and no, ERAU certainly did not set me up nice for it. As you know, I'm more than willing to admit the uselessness of an aviation degree.

astec

ok, well ive considered you guys thinking, im debating, i wanna go to embry for the experience, majoring in something, but minoring in business admin. and paying for the flight stuff, which i figure is worth it, as far as flight costs, because ATP is about the same, i realize its just the school thats expensive. I will look into UND, and other college nearby any ATP's to see there costs, thanx all, and keep arguing i like to hear sides of ppl's minds, just to get smarter

sigep_nm

Astec.
I would avoid the fast track airline training academies if you can. Regardless of what many people will tell a DEGREE DOES COUNT. It really matters not what it is in however if you plan on making an airline your career goal you SHOULD get an aviation based degree. People who tell you an aviation degree is worthless probably dont have one or didnt get a very good one. A commercial aviation degree covers many aspects of the aviation envirornment, not just the actual flying of the aircraft side. Think of this in a different way. If you want to be a professional boxer would you go to a football training and box on the side? I would hope not. If you want to realize your full potential you should fully emerse yourself in the culture. I am a UND grad but I have instructed and trained at other facilities as well. I have a much more rounded experience than most and would be happy to discuss my experiences with you. You can email me if you would like
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Jakob

Hey everybody! Interesting reading for me here again. Thx.

I have just got some more questions, as always... : What is nonresident tuition? OK, I can think of it being a higher tuition you have to pay if not living in the state, but that should not count if you live on the campus should it?
Second thing: Is the UCLA aviation program good? Do they offer help with internships? Is a double-major possible?

Thanks in advance guys (and maybe gals). I do appreceate it alot!

Uncle Bose

Every US citizen is a legal resident of a particular state within the union. It could depend on several factors, such as their dependency (i.e. where their parents or legal guardians live), place of high school graduation, or recent employment status. An international student would (initially) be a resident of no state. Moving to a new state for the purpose of attending college does not qualify you as legal resident, but some states may grant resident status after a certain period of time attending one of their institutions and/or being employed in that state, and "showing an intent" to make that state your permanent home. That's crucial for those who decide on that path; non-resident tuition can be as much as four times what residents are paying...about as much as Harvard and MIT.
UCLA, one of the top public universities in the nation (rated the #4 public national university by US News), and a major draw of students from other states, does not have an aviation program, but they do have an extremely well-regarded aeropsace engineering program. For an example of resident and non-resident fees, UCLA charges $6,504 and $24,672 per year respectively.

Jakob

Does it matter that I used to live in California? How is that at UND? Thanks for the information anyway!

sigep_nm

Jakob,
UND does have whats called the WUE (western undergratuate exchange) that allows you to attend the college a reduced rate from what a typical out of state student would pay. It is not as cheap as the in-state but it is fairly priced. I believe it is currently around 5000. www.aero.und.edu will give you an estimate of the cost for each flight course. Your major will determine which flight courses you are required to take. The site is kind of difficult to navigate but not too bad.

Jakob

Thank you. That sounds good. Do you know by chance if that counts if I was only born in California, lived there approx. 5 years and then moved to Germany? Or do I have to be current resident in a western state? If so, what are the rates for international students? I mean are they more/less expensive than "normal" out-of-state (in the US) prices?

Thank you

Uncle Bose

http://www.registrar.ucla.edu/faq/residence.htm

See if your personal details are addressed anywhere there. Sorry it isn't more concise...I didn't write it.