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11-27-2011 | 03:07 PM
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Best question (as my school had similar agreements) to ask them is: How many of your graduates are now working for Delta under that program/plan? You're probably going to get a "zero". What percentage of your graduates get hired by airlines right out of school (that will get them right in the jimmies!)? Then ask how much they can expect to make? Then ask, if it takes x amount of money (remember that they low-ball the figures) to go to school and get certificates, what's the point if you can't get a decent job? There ARE good programs at these schools, make no mistake, but for the last 10+ years, "piloting" hasn't been one of them. They may offer some suggestions or other ideas though that would let you be involved in aviation. You've just got to make sure it's what you want and that you understand what it entails.
If you can't get a job right out of school (almost never happens), what does it matter if it's 500 or 1500 hours? Not all that much, you still have a "gap" to make up, not to mention that insurance drives minimums, and the insurance company may just say "1500 minimum", to make things simple, even though the law may allow for less if you are graduating from some university.
The problem is that NO ONE is going to tell you this stuff up front. Then they will claim later that you "should have known" this all along. It's not just ignorance, most people don't know better and no one is held accountable for not educating them during the process. Just realize that you have to do 95% of your "education" yourself, whether we're talking about in a university or not.
If you can't get a job right out of school (almost never happens), what does it matter if it's 500 or 1500 hours? Not all that much, you still have a "gap" to make up, not to mention that insurance drives minimums, and the insurance company may just say "1500 minimum", to make things simple, even though the law may allow for less if you are graduating from some university.
The problem is that NO ONE is going to tell you this stuff up front. Then they will claim later that you "should have known" this all along. It's not just ignorance, most people don't know better and no one is held accountable for not educating them during the process. Just realize that you have to do 95% of your "education" yourself, whether we're talking about in a university or not.
There are actually quite a few UND grads flying for Delta. When I was at a job fair last year I sat down with the head pilot recruiter and he mentioned he liked the UND grads...take it for what it's worth.
Everyone's situation is different. Go explore your options. In the near future, the old suggestion of "get in get out" (of college/flt training) mentality may be true again, due to the potential demand and getting that seniority number.
11-27-2011 | 03:09 PM
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Well, it looks more like a way to ensure that ASA will have pilots and the school will make more revenue, but if it actually works, that would be cool. I just hope it isn't 55yr olds that are making the "UND graduates work at Delta" point...
11-27-2011 | 04:15 PM
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I'm sure there are some OSU (Cowboy) graduates working at Delta too, but they probably wouldn't grant OSU many kudos for getting them there
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11-27-2011 | 05:07 PM
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Doesn't UND not grant anything greater than the private unless you take the end of college all in one check ride? Where I instructed I had a few folks who came from there with all kinds of training past their private,but decided to transfer because they felt the cost at UND was too high, yet still only had their private. That is A LOT of money down the toilet. Where I went, you took each checkride and got the associated FAA ticket right then. So if a student decided to leave the program, they still had the tickets the rightfully earned.
Remember, when you talk to university recruiters, they are literally trying to SELL you something. Just like a military recruiter, its all about them, not you. Caveat emptor!
UND and other aviation programs are trying really hard to cut their losses right now with flashy ad campaigns. Folks like you are using the internet to find out the TRUTH about the airline industry and the flight training industry that feeds the airlines. I have said this many times; I wish I had the internet when I was young. I could have found out what land mines to side step. Read the entire thread asking about the OU flight program, which is a few threads behind yours. Notice how this person's opinion changed big time on flying, careers, and university programs. Best wishes!
Remember, when you talk to university recruiters, they are literally trying to SELL you something. Just like a military recruiter, its all about them, not you. Caveat emptor!
UND and other aviation programs are trying really hard to cut their losses right now with flashy ad campaigns. Folks like you are using the internet to find out the TRUTH about the airline industry and the flight training industry that feeds the airlines. I have said this many times; I wish I had the internet when I was young. I could have found out what land mines to side step. Read the entire thread asking about the OU flight program, which is a few threads behind yours. Notice how this person's opinion changed big time on flying, careers, and university programs. Best wishes!
your Half way correct.
UND grad 2002, you get your Private then you take your instrument, commercial, and then multi courses and at the end of the multi course you take a check ride and get all three certificates. then go onto CFI and CFII and if you like MEI. I sure if you wanted to pay for a part 61 ride at the end of each course you could. But there is always a check ride at the end of each course that technically is a rating ride but a rating is not issued until your multi is completed.
It has been a while but I think thats how it went down.
11-28-2011 | 06:17 AM
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your Half way correct.
UND grad 2002, you get your Private then you take your instrument, commercial, and then multi courses and at the end of the multi course you take a check ride and get all three certificates. then go onto CFI and CFII and if you like MEI. I sure if you wanted to pay for a part 61 ride at the end of each course you could. But there is always a check ride at the end of each course that technically is a rating ride but a rating is not issued until your multi is completed.
It has been a while but I think thats how it went down.
UND grad 2002, you get your Private then you take your instrument, commercial, and then multi courses and at the end of the multi course you take a check ride and get all three certificates. then go onto CFI and CFII and if you like MEI. I sure if you wanted to pay for a part 61 ride at the end of each course you could. But there is always a check ride at the end of each course that technically is a rating ride but a rating is not issued until your multi is completed.
It has been a while but I think thats how it went down.
I will give UND this-it sounds like the play ball with you on in state tuition. Lets just day I went to a school for aviation in Michigan, and they did not. So I said, see ya! But in the final analysis the joke is still on me, because I should have done my training part 61, and went to college for something else.
12-05-2011 | 04:29 AM
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Just shop around more. Middle georgia College (Middle Georgia College - Four-year Bachelor of Science in Aviation, Two-year transfer and career programs, Regents Engineering transfer program.) is located in literally the middle of nowhere but the cost is reflective of that. These pilot mill schools cannot compete on price alone. They make all these flash media driven ad to real in the new stary eyed pilot wanna be's and at a cost comparative to yacht. Down here in cow land we can graduate with a bachelors degree in flight, or other degree tracks such as logistics (a degree that will actually get you somewhere in life) along with your flight certificates for about 50k.
Compare that to embry riddle's 180k track or UND 110k or hgiher track and you can see why I came down here.
Now yes there will always be those "salty" regional or major pilots that will tell you to stay away from this field for a multitude of reasons but bottom line if its 1,500 hours or 15,000 hours if your dream is to fly them go get it man. Yes you still have to feed your familiy at the end of day, but your dream is YOUR dream, screw what the nay-sayers have to say about it.
Im currently working as an instructor here at the school and im making a decent living and building good time. Just recently picked up a job with the forestry on the side and there have been several instructors whoe have left in the past year to go fly everything from the CRJ to pilatus' to citations or doing cargo work out of a caravan. The jobs are out there.
Compare that to embry riddle's 180k track or UND 110k or hgiher track and you can see why I came down here.
Now yes there will always be those "salty" regional or major pilots that will tell you to stay away from this field for a multitude of reasons but bottom line if its 1,500 hours or 15,000 hours if your dream is to fly them go get it man. Yes you still have to feed your familiy at the end of day, but your dream is YOUR dream, screw what the nay-sayers have to say about it.
Im currently working as an instructor here at the school and im making a decent living and building good time. Just recently picked up a job with the forestry on the side and there have been several instructors whoe have left in the past year to go fly everything from the CRJ to pilatus' to citations or doing cargo work out of a caravan. The jobs are out there.
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