SkyHigh

I was told recently by an industry professional that the practice of renting planes to the public is a failed business model. I did not believe it so I made a few calls and it seems to be true.

AOPA and the National Association of Flight Instructors realize it as well. Traditional mom and pop flight schools are fading away. In their place factory style flight academy's are taking over and that works for the professionally minded pilot but not for the hobby guy who wants to rent planes after graduation.

As a result AOPA is starting to focus on non-profit flight clubs as a way to perpetuate general aviation. I believe that we are on the precipice of massive change in GA. In addition the 1500 hour rule could have effects that few now can predict. In any case GA as we have known it for the last 50 years is changing.

Skyhigh

JamesNoBrakes

I think the decline of mom and pop fbos/flight schools has been going on for a while. A lot of people remember it differently than it is now. Less planes to rent, less places to get instruction.

Std Deviation

Many people just vanish after they get their license. It's crazy. They spend all this time and money (and I'm talking recreational not those on a pro track) and then it comes to a halt.

I believe minimums required to keep the A/C overnight are one reason. Want to fly from Dallas to Houston for the weekend? Schools want 5 hours per day on Sat and Sun. Which is 2x the actually flight time.

I get the need for profit but it does discourage rentals.

Std Deviation

My college roomate is behind this one:
OpenAirplane - Coming Soon!

They've had press but are still in the startup phase.

Denver

The flight school I have been working at for 13 years has always subsidized GA. The maintenance pays for the flight school part but the school takes a loss every year. The only reason why we are still in business is due to sentimentality.

The owner says GA is our last vestige of freedom in this dwindling country. I agree with him.

NoyGonnaDoIt

There's also a wide disparity in the health of the rental industry geographically. I'm in the process of a move from an area where there are multiple airports with multiple flight schools and a wide variety of good rental aircraft at a good price to another where they are virtually non-existent.

Std Deviation, where have you seen a 5 hour daily minumum? In more than 20 years of renting I've never seen one higher than 3 with 2 being the most common I've come across. And, despite a number of multi-day trips, I've only actually had to pay them twice.

jonnyjetprop

It's interesting because I spoke with a former student, now instructor. He owns a Cessna 172 restart and was telling me how he has been making money with it on leaseback. The numbers he told me would lead me to believe him.

AOPA has been trying to do a lot to stem the tide of GA pilot losses. I think looking at "best practices" in promoting flying clubs isn't calling out a death sentence for the FBO. It is geographically driven.

jonnyjetprop

I haven't seen 5hr daily minimums in the Orlando market, but daily minimums have always been an issue when costing out renting a plane for a family trip.

In the old days, there was a mix of planes that were used for training and those that were for traveling. Now, it's hard to find planes other than 172 and warriors. This is the area where I think AOPA is smart to bring up flying clubs.

Sata 4000 RP

I rent out of two types of markets, one being ultra-rural and the other being a major city and the rural mom and pop just sold the plane to a student because they went $4K into the hole last year on the plane. That was the only rental plane in a 30 mile radius.

That said, the metro area planes need to be booked almost a week in advance for 1-2 hr weekend rentals due to demand. Good luck getting one for a weekend overnight on only a week in advance.

2StgTurbine

I have been to two flight schools with a 5 hour minimum that have caused me much grief trying to make a fun trip.