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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
(Post 1305266)
Remember that these are usually young people who have never done anything where it was solely their performance that determined a life and death outcome.
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Originally Posted by PearlPilot
(Post 1305231)
Update:
1.The dad and I had a talk. He is well aware of his son's incompetence. 2. I will bill him for being late. I started today, he was 10 minutes late and .2 went on his bill. 3. I will be occasionally using a hood for which he agreed. 4. I will no longer spoon feed him. 5. I can no longer tolerate his tardiness so I will have to be more firm with him, if not I am actually considering of canceling a lesson in which he was late in the future. It is a working progress. In a perfect world sure I would love to get rid of him. The reality is that there are and will be students like him in any CFIs career. I am in the opinion that we as CFIs should find ways, sometimes creative, to work such things out. After all we are known to have a great deal of patience. But honestly in this case it is running out in a hurry. |
Originally Posted by ToastAir
(Post 1305262)
You mentioned he tracks great once established (inside the marker). It seems his trouble (on the ILS) is with the intercept. Try intercepting VOR radials within 10 miles of the staion. Do it over and over again. Use radials with and without a crosswind. Point out the relative motion of the needle and how it relates to how quickly he must adjust heading. Show him what happens if he simply parallels the course and what to do if the motion stops but the needle isn't centered. Point out there maybe wind variation as he decends and how to handle it. Once he gets good at it he won't want or need to cheat. As for showing up late, either charge for your time waiting or show up 30 minutes late yourself.
He can probably intercept just fine too...he just needs to do it without looking out the window. |
You're probably right, hence the suggestion to use a VOR. No runway to see and similar but less sensitive course until you get close. Maybe even have him track it outbound.
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Originally Posted by ToastAir
(Post 1307349)
No runway to see and similar but less sensitive course until you get close.
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A CFII pal of mine lost one of his best students during the past Thanksgiving week, here's the NTSB report-
NTSB ERA13FA062 Instrument flying is not a light hobby, it can kill you. My friend's student was an older man who was inexperienced in IMC and made a bad decision to attempt a low approach at night with something like 5 hours experience in actual IMC. Our theory is he got slow in the turn to final, stalled, spun, and panick-pulled the yoke down to the crash. This is our chance to teach as best we can to avoid these unhappy endings. |
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 1302621)
one of 2 things are gonna happen to him if he keeps cheating and you sign him off and he passes his practical because he either cheated or got lucky......1. He will crash and kill only himself in actual IMC. 2. He will crash with passengers into a house or school.
Guess who the Feds are gonna ask about his training? and hope they don't see this thread if you sign him off? I'm guessing he also is gonna pencil whip his logbook. I a few students like this. I was working as basically the only CFI with my boss breathing down my neck. Then my boss said something to me about these guys "A) they keep the rates down for other students. B) that is why the hobs meter is by the CFI not the student" Going out at night will help. This is something I had to do with a PPL student once. He just always cheating and stuff, late, attitude and all. I had a great relationship with my DPE and called him and explained what I was dealing with. He said sign him off if he is with in tolerances and such. Needless to say he came back from the check ride with his tail between his legs. And then learned the right way. |
Kudo's on talking to the "money man." One thing they don't like is when their money is getting wasted. Next...the hood needs to be on ALL the time...and the brim needs to be tight to restrict his view. You need to re-establish control over this kid.
Finally...you should never put yourself in a position to have to "tip off" the DPE. If he's not cutting it...you NEVER sign someone off. You are putting your tickets at risk over someone who is marginal or not ready? No way. And if he doesn't shape up quick? Then to hell with the "work in progress." Dump him and make sure you tell him and document why. Put in his logbook, "student continually cheats during ILS approaches"...and keep a photocopy. I had a couple of students like that when I was teaching at one of the bigger programs in Florida. Same scenario, airline pilot kids...and I'm not knocking them because there were many reallly great ones...and some whose parents gave little Timmy anything he wanted. When one of the pilots found out, he looked at me and said, "If you wouldn't put your wife and kids on the plane with them, don't ever sign them off." |
I'd like to add a slightly contrarian view. I agree wholeheartedly with the sediment expressed above, but maybe there is something else a foot. Maybe the student just wishes some validation on what really is happening when he is off course? Curiosity as to what is "going on" is natural and maybe the instructor, rather than admonishing the student for "cheating" should invite him up for a peek at the appropriate time to see what is happening and when. Show the student near minimums what even being a dot low/left or right looks like. It may well motivate him to be more precise in the future.
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do you have access to a sim?
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