UND Aerospace worth it?
10-29-2013, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotnicco
That's an estimate without interest... I would be in roughly 75K of debt with UND. None with TAMUCT.
10-30-2013, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotnicco
That's an estimate without interest... I would be in roughly 75K of debt with UND. None with TAMUCT.
UND has some great qualities, fantastic resources and facilities, and very stringent procedures... But it is not worth $75K of debt IMO (which would well over $100k paid off). Yes, I have had recruiters/interviewers look highly on the "UND grad" aspect of my resume, but you know what, they still hire tons of non-UND guys.
The bottom line is being debt free is an AMAZING way to start an aviation career. Being enslaved to debt is not.
10-30-2013, 07:00 AM
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As others have already said, avoid UND like the plague. Riddle comes in a very close second.
My biggest pet peeve with 141 programs, besides the cost, is the simple regurgitation of information over and over again. CFI's giving instruction after 190 hours of "flight school" time and presenting information from hand-outs made from hand-outs made from hand-outs. With a constant re-circulation of information over and over, the original source gets lost. And guess what? You get stuck paying the big bucks for that too!
I currently fly out of an airport that has a University 141 program based there and I feel sorry for the students that have to pay all that money for very mediocre flight instruction at best. Flying long patterns, sitting on the runway for over a minute, idling after start for up to 3-4 minutes. The list goes on..... a lot of common sense, thinking-for-yourself flying is not included in these programs. Come on, a 2-2.5 mile final in a C172 is acceptable standards? I guess so in their minds.
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest!
O... by the way, flame away if you wish.
My biggest pet peeve with 141 programs, besides the cost, is the simple regurgitation of information over and over again. CFI's giving instruction after 190 hours of "flight school" time and presenting information from hand-outs made from hand-outs made from hand-outs. With a constant re-circulation of information over and over, the original source gets lost. And guess what? You get stuck paying the big bucks for that too!
I currently fly out of an airport that has a University 141 program based there and I feel sorry for the students that have to pay all that money for very mediocre flight instruction at best. Flying long patterns, sitting on the runway for over a minute, idling after start for up to 3-4 minutes. The list goes on..... a lot of common sense, thinking-for-yourself flying is not included in these programs. Come on, a 2-2.5 mile final in a C172 is acceptable standards? I guess so in their minds.
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest!
O... by the way, flame away if you wish.
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10-30-2013, 09:07 AM
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Opportunity Cost
Do not forget the overall opportunity cost of the years wasted, squandered education, and lost monetary resources of getting into a profession that is in decline.
Before you exclaim "pilot shortage" even if it does materialize it does not mean that anyone will earn more or experience improving working conditions. The business of aviation is about cutting costs. The advance of automation and the coming globalization of the pilot supply will insure a continuance of the downward slide into the oblivion.
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Before you exclaim "pilot shortage" even if it does materialize it does not mean that anyone will earn more or experience improving working conditions. The business of aviation is about cutting costs. The advance of automation and the coming globalization of the pilot supply will insure a continuance of the downward slide into the oblivion.
Skyhigh
10-30-2013, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sharden12
TAMU Central Texas has had a lot of graduate go into airline industry, a lot of top guys at some airlines went there.
11-04-2013, 10:50 AM
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I would suggest getting all your ratings done now, transfer to another college to finish your degree in a non aviation major to have something to possibly fall back on, and instructing during those two years to build hours. Or get a 135 gig. When you're ready in a few years the regionals won't give a crap what school you went to. They'll just be checking for a pulse at the interview by then when the hiring starts up at the majors and they need pilots. When you apply to a major years down the road you'll most likely be competing against guys who went to the Air Force Academy or West Point and being interviewed by one as well. They don't care what school you went to at that point if its not an elite one (ie Ivy or Academy) so don't sweat it. Best of luck.
11-04-2013, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NCR757dxr
As others have already said, avoid UND like the plague. Riddle comes in a very close second.
My biggest pet peeve with 141 programs, besides the cost, is the simple regurgitation of information over and over again. CFI's giving instruction after 190 hours of "flight school" time and presenting information from hand-outs made from hand-outs made from hand-outs. With a constant re-circulation of information over and over, the original source gets lost. And guess what? You get stuck paying the big bucks for that too!
I currently fly out of an airport that has a University 141 program based there and I feel sorry for the students that have to pay all that money for very mediocre flight instruction at best. Flying long patterns, sitting on the runway for over a minute, idling after start for up to 3-4 minutes. The list goes on..... a lot of common sense, thinking-for-yourself flying is not included in these programs. Come on, a 2-2.5 mile final in a C172 is acceptable standards? I guess so in their minds.
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest!
O... by the way, flame away if you wish.
My biggest pet peeve with 141 programs, besides the cost, is the simple regurgitation of information over and over again. CFI's giving instruction after 190 hours of "flight school" time and presenting information from hand-outs made from hand-outs made from hand-outs. With a constant re-circulation of information over and over, the original source gets lost. And guess what? You get stuck paying the big bucks for that too!
I currently fly out of an airport that has a University 141 program based there and I feel sorry for the students that have to pay all that money for very mediocre flight instruction at best. Flying long patterns, sitting on the runway for over a minute, idling after start for up to 3-4 minutes. The list goes on..... a lot of common sense, thinking-for-yourself flying is not included in these programs. Come on, a 2-2.5 mile final in a C172 is acceptable standards? I guess so in their minds.
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest!
O... by the way, flame away if you wish.
OK, kidding aside, I think you hit on some valid points. As far as the bolded part, that is exactly how I felt going through my own training. Later as a CFI, the chief instructor and I tried to change that mentality of instruction.
People hate change by the way...I imagine someone has a wise crack based on Obama's hope and change motto, but people really, REALLY resist change. Former instructors seemed highly offended the flight school made changes. Current instructors thought the sky was falling. Ahh...good times.
This is not to bash 141 schools outright. In my mind a structured mom and pop operation is probably the best of both worlds.
11-11-2013, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CandlerKid
I would suggest getting all your ratings done now, transfer to another college to finish your degree in a non aviation major to have something to possibly fall back on, and instructing during those two years to build hours. Or get a 135 gig. When you're ready in a few years the regionals won't give a crap what school you went to. They'll just be checking for a pulse at the interview by then when the hiring starts up at the majors and they need pilots. When you apply to a major years down the road you'll most likely be competing against guys who went to the Air Force Academy or West Point and being interviewed by one as well. They don't care what school you went to at that point if its not an elite one (ie Ivy or Academy) so don't sweat it. Best of luck.
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