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Old 01-20-2007 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk
If all you learn from your flight training is how to fly the airplane to PTS standards and memorize answers you have missed out on the most important things you should have learned from flying.
What is that? Watching some FBO / CFI take my money and pad his logbook with hours on my dime.

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Old 01-20-2007 | 08:35 AM
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LAFF, there are some older more experienced CFI's out there who are really good at what they do. The skills and knowledge they bring to the table cannot be matched by a guy who started flying 90 days ago. Some of the best CFI's i've had included a former bush pilot, and a former airline pilot. I learned a lot more then just PTS standard from these guys, and that makes you a better pilot for sure.

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Old 01-20-2007 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Puppyz
LAFF, there are some older more experienced CFI's out there who are really good at what they do. The skills and knowledge they bring to the table cannot be matched by a guy who started flying 90 days ago. Some of the best CFI's i've had included a former bush pilot, and a former airline pilot. I learned a lot more then just PTS standard from these guys, and that makes you a better pilot for sure.
Unless your going to be going to a alaska bush flying job after your checkride or going straight to a 121 job its all fluff to milk you out of money. You need the FAA tickets and then you need to build hours as a CFI. You don't need Alaska bush flying or 121 techniques in a C-172 as a student. Expecially when you're paying for someone else to review or relive their glory days.

Keep it simple...Get your ratings as quickly / safely as possible (ATP does this), then CFI to get your hours so you can apply to the regionals / 135 job you want. You don't need to waste time / money on Alaskan bush flying techniques in Omaha, NE at a mom/pop FBO.

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Old 01-20-2007 | 11:42 AM
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Part of having those hours is experience and airmanship. You don't just get that on your own always. Some of that stuff comes from other guys who have been there and done that. And there is more to flying that just what your book says, and an guy who has been there can impart that to that a brand new CFI cannot. Speeding along isnt always a good thing and I know that you want to get to the regionals as fast as you can. But sometimes you need to slow down and learn something. Not all CFIs are trying to bilk you out of money, I would say that those older guys are actually trying to impart something to you. Alot of the guys that I know that got into teaching again after airline/corporate/bush flying did it because they love to teach and feel that they can impart some of there experience to you the student.

I know that you have this grand plan to get where you want. But there are other ways out there. There are alot of good people in aviation at those mom/pop FBOs. There is alot of things that can be learned from guys with experience that your CFI who has done nothing but fly around the flag pole at ATP cant give you.
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Old 01-20-2007 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer
Unless your going to be going to a alaska bush flying job after your checkride or going straight to a 121 job its all fluff to milk you out of money. You need the FAA tickets and then you need to build hours as a CFI. You don't need Alaska bush flying or 121 techniques in a C-172 as a student. Expecially when you're paying for someone else to review or relive their glory days.

Keep it simple...Get your ratings as quickly / safely as possible (ATP does this), then CFI to get your hours so you can apply to the regionals / 135 job you want. You don't need to waste time / money on Alaskan bush flying techniques in Omaha, NE at a mom/pop FBO.

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yeah... do everything quickly and everything is solved

I hate where aviation is going

hell, I wouldn't let some newbie kid that got all his ratings in 90 days fly anything in my fleet...
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Old 01-21-2007 | 02:53 AM
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Unless your going to be going to a alaska bush flying job after your checkride or going straight to a 121 job its all fluff to milk you out of money. You need the FAA tickets and then you need to build hours as a CFI. You don't need Alaska bush flying or 121 techniques in a C-172 as a student. Expecially when you're paying for someone else to review or relive their glory days.

Keep it simple...Get your ratings as quickly / safely as possible (ATP does this), then CFI to get your hours so you can apply to the regionals / 135 job you want. You don't need to waste time / money on Alaskan bush flying techniques in Omaha, NE at a mom/pop FBO.

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You have the worst attitude towards flying I think I have ever seen. It is almost disrespectful. It's so bad I have a hard time believing your real.

And why should some one waste their time with a 19 year old cfi with frosted spikey hair who was a private pilot less the three months before tell me how to fly. Bet you'll learn alot from him. When the ATP cfi's are instructing the ATP students do you share a bottle of kool-aid or do they provide you each with one?
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Old 01-21-2007 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by razorseal
yeah... do everything quickly and everything is solved

I hate where aviation is going

hell, I wouldn't let some newbie kid that got all his ratings in 90 days fly anything in my fleet...
Getting your ratings quickly then CFI to build time is not doing things quickly. Its doing things to avoid the years that can be wasted trying to get out of the CFI gig and into 121 regionals or 135 freight.

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Old 01-21-2007 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PositiveRate
You have the worst attitude towards flying I think I have ever seen. It is almost disrespectful. It's so bad I have a hard time believing your real.

And why should some one waste their time with a 19 year old cfi with frosted spikey hair who was a private pilot less the three months before tell me how to fly. Bet you'll learn alot from him. When the ATP cfi's are instructing the ATP students do you share a bottle of kool-aid or do they provide you each with one?
You're right - no one should waste their time with a 19 year old CFI that has frosted spikey hair. I wouldn't and I certainly hope no one else does either. I expect the people that work for me to dress and act like professionals. Thats not to say we don't joke around and have fun but we also don't pretend like we are still in junior high. If ATP or your mom/pop FBO allows people with frosted spikey hair to work there - trust me...They will lose business or it will be something customers will address. I certainly would. I expect you would do the same.

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Old 01-21-2007 | 06:14 AM
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Your gonna be very disappointed, there are frosty spiked CFIs at every flight school in America. You'll see when you actually step foot in the business. They are everywhere, in fact they will also be students who will eventually be instructing. So does that mean that they are not professional because they once had frosty spiked hair? Hardly.

I dont get it, you have never been in an ATP establishment, yet you present yourself as someone who knows everything already. I would like to know where you get your expertise from? I am not trying to start a ****ing contest with you, I am just curious.
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