Building Multi-engine time, Help!
05-28-2015 | 07:12 AM
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The regulation is crystal clear on the subject.
Your question regards the logging of multi engine time, and the logging of "time." First, you need to define what time you hope to log. You also need to understand the difference between logging flight time, and acting as pilot in command. Logging pilot in command is not the same as acting as pilot in command. You need the high performance endorsement to act as pilot in command (BE pilot in command). You do NOT need it to log pilot in command.
You indicated that you plan to be safety pilot. If you're safety pilot, you may act as second in command only during simulated instrument flight. This means that if the other pilot isn't wearing his view limiting device, you can't log it, and if he isn't flying, you can't log it. If you intend to be sole manipulator of the controls, you can log it as PIC, but without the endorsement you cannot act as PIC (can't be the actual pilot in command). If you're manipulating the controls, you can't log SIC any more, because it's no longer simulated instrument flight, even if the other pilot is wearing his view limiting device; a SIC is no longer required.
In order to log the time, you do not need an endorsement; you need to be rated in the aircraft (category and class: airplane, multi engine land). You are rated in the aircraft, and can log PIC. You can log PIC, but not act as PIC. You can log and act as SIC.
Your question regards the logging of multi engine time, and the logging of "time." First, you need to define what time you hope to log. You also need to understand the difference between logging flight time, and acting as pilot in command. Logging pilot in command is not the same as acting as pilot in command. You need the high performance endorsement to act as pilot in command (BE pilot in command). You do NOT need it to log pilot in command.
You indicated that you plan to be safety pilot. If you're safety pilot, you may act as second in command only during simulated instrument flight. This means that if the other pilot isn't wearing his view limiting device, you can't log it, and if he isn't flying, you can't log it. If you intend to be sole manipulator of the controls, you can log it as PIC, but without the endorsement you cannot act as PIC (can't be the actual pilot in command). If you're manipulating the controls, you can't log SIC any more, because it's no longer simulated instrument flight, even if the other pilot is wearing his view limiting device; a SIC is no longer required.
In order to log the time, you do not need an endorsement; you need to be rated in the aircraft (category and class: airplane, multi engine land). You are rated in the aircraft, and can log PIC. You can log PIC, but not act as PIC. You can log and act as SIC.
05-28-2015 | 09:43 AM
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Thank you all for the advice. After talking with a few more folks, including an FAA rep they all seem to agree that I can log PIC time in the C-310, but can't "act" as the PIC unless I get the High-Perf endorsement. I plan on getting the endorsement tomorrow so there won't be any questions about my C-310 time.
Again, Thank you!
Again, Thank you!
05-28-2015 | 10:35 AM
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05-28-2015 | 01:20 PM
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Thank you all for the advice. After talking with a few more folks, including an FAA rep they all seem to agree that I can log PIC time in the C-310, but can't "act" as the PIC unless I get the High-Perf endorsement. I plan on getting the endorsement tomorrow so there won't be any questions about my C-310 time.
Again, Thank you!
Again, Thank you!
There is no gray area here.
05-30-2015 | 02:40 AM
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Update,
I received my HI-Perf endorsement yesterday. It was painless and now nobody can question the time I Log in the C-310. But as others here have said, you don't need the Hi-Perf endorsement to LOG multi time only to ACT as PIC in the 310. There are a few FAA Letters of Interpretation that address this exact situation and are quite clear on the matter. John Burke's post explained it best.
FYI, the Letters of Interpretation can be found under the questions submitted by. John Speranza and Jason E Herman
I received my HI-Perf endorsement yesterday. It was painless and now nobody can question the time I Log in the C-310. But as others here have said, you don't need the Hi-Perf endorsement to LOG multi time only to ACT as PIC in the 310. There are a few FAA Letters of Interpretation that address this exact situation and are quite clear on the matter. John Burke's post explained it best.
FYI, the Letters of Interpretation can be found under the questions submitted by. John Speranza and Jason E Herman
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