Norwegian (NAI) - 5,000 tickets in 6 hrs
02-27-2017, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Side question:
The Boeing website shows the 737-800 barely having enough range to reach Halifax from London. That's not considering any headwinds, contingency fuel etc.
How is NAI running the 737-800 from New York to EDI, DUB etc? Auxiliary tanks? They would need about 7,000 pounds of fuel per 450nm or so (400 in the winter with headwinds). SWF-YHZ is a little over 500nm so you're talking an extra 8,000-8,500 lbs of fuel at least. Won't that likely mean weight restrictions?
Maybe one of you guys can break it down for me to get a better understanding.
The Boeing website shows the 737-800 barely having enough range to reach Halifax from London. That's not considering any headwinds, contingency fuel etc.
How is NAI running the 737-800 from New York to EDI, DUB etc? Auxiliary tanks? They would need about 7,000 pounds of fuel per 450nm or so (400 in the winter with headwinds). SWF-YHZ is a little over 500nm so you're talking an extra 8,000-8,500 lbs of fuel at least. Won't that likely mean weight restrictions?
Maybe one of you guys can break it down for me to get a better understanding.
02-27-2017, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by zondaracer
737 MAX, Norwegian is the launch customer and deliveries start May 2017.
Boeing lists the range of the 737-800MAX at 3,500nm and SWF-EDI is 2,800nm. Do you guys think it will have any issues on Westbound flights with 80-100mph headwinds and some weather in NY? Or is that 700nm buffer enough?
02-27-2017, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
As an example:
Daughter broke her foot in Rome. Cost to get her home on short notice:
DAL - $2000
NAI - $400
Guess who she chose.
Daughter broke her foot in Rome. Cost to get her home on short notice:
DAL - $2000
NAI - $400
Guess who she chose.
02-28-2017, 03:25 AM
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A friend of mine just posted their experience on Norwegian. I'm paraphrasing but, the seats were cramped and uncomfortable (more than normal coach seats) and they weighed everything they had i.e. Wallet, neck pillow, backpack, cellphone, if all carry on items are over 7 kilos you are charged extra. I think they will have some success but the out of the way departure locations, the bad accommodations and the extra charges will limit their appeal. We need to continue to be a quality experience
02-28-2017, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
My bust. The teaser fares didn't include any of that stuff but it looks like going on their website that the non teaser fares you can bundle some of the stuff with it. The reason the return tickets cost so much more is the added on taxes.
Honestly though, unless you are a local, the transfer to and from those airports to the target cities along with the time lost doesn't make it worth the difference in fare.
If you live in Stewart or Providence, it is a great deal. If you live in Boston or NYC, not so much. Same with Europeans visiting the US.
Honestly though, unless you are a local, the transfer to and from those airports to the target cities along with the time lost doesn't make it worth the difference in fare.
If you live in Stewart or Providence, it is a great deal. If you live in Boston or NYC, not so much. Same with Europeans visiting the US.
02-28-2017, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
The drive to Stewart from my crash pad in queens is an hour and a half, and likely less than 2 hours for millions of people in the NYC area (and everywhere within a few hours north of NYC). Minus those in nyc with no car, I hardly doubt SWF is too much of a hike, and even then, only a train ride and Uber away, so only a little more of a pita than EWR/JFK for what could be the difference in affordability to go/not go.
Yes, you can take public transit (for the most part) to Stewart, but the cost and hassle associated with doing so will be huge while dragging your bags along.
I may be wrong, but I think your average European who shows up there and hails a cab to take them to the city is going to be sticker shocked. Also, what times are these flights running? Middle of the day? Late at night?
Don't get me wrong, they will sell tickets. I am of the belief that they are here to stay and there isn't a thing the unions are going to do that is going to stop it. They have Boeing in their pocket and Boeing has the Trump administration in its pocket.
Do I like it? Nope. But there isn't a thing we can do about it, so we may as well figure out a way to coexist and contain them.
I just don't see them replacing or even making a huge dent in the established network carriers in the US for a lot of reasons.
02-28-2017, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pancake
The novelty of NAI will wear off, and frankly they're probably mostly attracting passengers that otherwise wouldn't be traveling. Think back 20 years ago to SWA, AirTran, and now Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant. Do we need to be aware of market trends and react smartly? Sure. We'll be fine. Our niche is the business traveler who's vested in Delta through their company, credit cards, and our vast network, all of which NAI can't touch (it took SWA 40 years to become a major player).
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