The MCC is course is sometimes not needed to get an airline job, airline will do it for you when you go for your type rating. (After being hired)

.. Hello gents, new to the Forum.

Normally if you have a typerating, MCC is not needed anymore.
A very "popular" way to work these days is the Self Sponsored Typerating schemes. It will set you back for around E35000, but it opens some doors.
If you like Poland, WizzAir might be an option. But first you'll have to pay, and after the money is not all that great. Ryanair is actually not too bad.
It is a bit of a raw deal, but money is allright (certainly if UK based) and time to command should be only a few years. Only thing there is that you'll buy yourself a 737 type, whereas a lot of new companies fly the 320.

This is true. I did not need an MCC since I had both an FAA 737 type and a JAA 737 type. Just by chance, I did have the multi-crew hours from my C-130 days. Perhaps the biggest hurdle to get over is the right to work in Europe, if you don't have this right beforehand! Yes, the JAA asspain in conversion is there but can be done. I was fortunate to leave the USAF while stationed overseas, so I developed the contacts for the workpermit prior to leaving the Active Duty AF, it still took me about 6 mos but was successful.

Good luck,
Lifter

Doesn't Wizz pay for your type? And on top of that if you have the right to live and work in Poland dont most of Wizz's pilots stay there?

So here is an email I got from Bristol Groundschool:

Thank you for your e-mail and interest in Bristol Groundschool. Please visit
our web-site for full details on how to convert your current licence and the
requirements. www.bristol.gs I believe you will need to sit and pass all 14
exams at ATPL level but do not have to complete an approved course of
training as you hold a foreign ATPL already.

You may only be required to pass the Air Law & Human Performance exams for
UK registered Aircraft.
This can be confirmed by visiting our web-site under requirements. Any
further licence queries should be e-mailed to Flight Crew Licensing
[email protected] at the UK CAA.

The course can be bought in 2 modules, Module 1 = £1,300 plus shipping,
Module 2 when you're ready = £800 plus shipping. If you require an approved
course up must attend the 2 x 2 week brush-up course's held here at Bristol.
These are included in the £2,100 and our CBT CD rom.

Or you can just buy the DVD which covers all 14 of the subjects for £490, or
if you just want the manuals these can be purchased for £950 plus shipping
if outside the UK.

We do not offer any flight training, you may wish to contact Bristol Flying
Centre www.b-f-c.co.uk for details on these requirements or any of the CAA
approved providers.

If we can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to be intouch.

With kind regards,

Anouska

Since I hold a ATP license already it looks like it makes it a little easier. The biggest problem is the 2 x 2 week class sessions because I have to work while I am doing this course, plus finding lodging must be expensive in England. Also, does anyone know what aircraft are approved for the 15 hour flight requirement? I am hoping that I can do this in GA airplane to keep the cost at minimum. I assume the flight training can be done at any JAA approved flight school. What is the cheapest place (country) to get this done?

I am sorry for all the questions, but I am just trying to do this the right way and before I spend the money I want to make sure that the investment is done the right way. Thanks for all the help and input so far.

Cheapest place = Greece or Spain.
CPL can be done in US
IR has to be done in Europe

So I think that I finally have figured out (thanks to all) what to do. I just one more question. Multi-Crew Coordination Course (MCC) Here is what I have found on the net:
The MCC course is a two week course preparing you to work in a multi crew environment. The courses are normally done in complex simulators and the price often represent the aircraft you wish to do it in (ex. a Beech 200 may be cheaper then a B737). The large schools and many sim-centers offer these courses and the prices vary from 2000 to 5000 pounds.

MCC is the equivalent to LOFT (Line Orientated Flight Training) in USA, but unlike the US an MCC course is a minimum requirement with all airlines in Europe. The one exception to this rule is if you already have over 500 hours total time in a JAR 25 approved multi crew environment. Just be careful here because JAR does not recognize single pilot airplanes flown in a multi crew environment as being multi crew time (this also goes for the SIC time in your logbook). An example of this is a single pilot airplane like the Beech King Air flown with two pilots because of insurance requirements. Under FAA this would be valid SIC time for the copilot – under JAA it is not as the airplane is not considered to require a multi-crew.


I am wondering if my 1000 SIC time in ERJ 145 flown in the United States is JAR 25 approved environment?

Pretty sure that MCC is CRM and not LOFT. Check out JAA.nl It's the JAA official web site. You will find all the answers to your questions there.

Rascal,

I am in the very same boat as you are, even with regards to LOT. As far as I have researched, if you fly a SAAB340 or bigger, it is counted as a JAR25 or 23 aircraft. So from what I understand the ERJ qualifies, but for example a B1900 would not.

With regards to LOT, I recently spoke with a pilot (actually a pilot in training) for LOT who just got hired on the ERJ. He said they are hiring right now people with 3-400 hrs TT for the 145 and the 170. You have to pay for your own TR but it is not an upfront payment. It is deducted from your montly income. I think once you get the JAA license, you would have no problem getting into LOT, especially with your experience on ERJ.

I just got hired, and will (hopefully if I pass training) be flying a Dash-8. I hope when the time comes the Turbo-prop time will not be frowned upon in Europe. I want to build up some multi-crew time so I do not have to do the required groundschool, as well as an MCC course, due to the cost and amount of time needed.

The JAA is such a PITA.

Have you started the JAA process yet?

Zdrowie!

Stoki,

I am just about ready to order the course through Bristol. Since I have an ATP I don't need to go through the "approved course" so I am ordering the stusy material and no class time. I have a person in Poland that knows the ex-president of LOT. I don't know if that helps me much because LO is currently going through a management change. I also looked into Wizz Air and Norwegian. So where did you get hired at?
Pozdrawiam