Make a few posts with pro and ex ALPA jabs and you'll wind up with the requisite number PDQ.

 

Hey you're helping me out here. What a joke eh?

 

Don't forget USAPA the "union" who's sole purpose is to overturn the NIC award and put US Airways "West" pilots on the street.

Gotta love the "brothers"

 

For the foreign guys that may be unaware, US Airways is furloughing 175 from the "west" and 125 from the "east". That would leave around 950 on the east that were not on property at the time of the merger, while the west side is furloughing pilots who brought jobs to the merger.

Also of note, it is rumored that the east has upgraded 400 since the merger while the west has upgraded 39. And AWA was the acquiring carrier!

Not that I'd have any first hand knowledge of this of course

Talk about a "windfall" for the east. One foot on the banana peel and the other in the grave and they decertify the union and throw the AWA guys under the bus.

Lots of integrity. And yes, it did start with ALPA National, but has been consummated by USAPA.

That's ten posts I believe... and will check that PM. Cheers.

 

Just checked, it's 25 posts now, which will put me at age 65. Koru, I'll catch you on a different thread and give you an email address at a later time. Thanks.

 

I don't even know where top begin here because that kind of distorted perception is what has led to such an acrimonious seniority integration process. The East offered to have returning East pilots furloughed out of seniority for a period of one year post integration. The West chose to go down another path. They could have negotiated that to two years if they had wanted. If they had gone down that path then it would be 300 furloughs from the East and none from the West.

As in all these things the West was swinging for the fence without regard to their junior pilots. They left their junior pilots in the lurch and their junior pilots will now suffer as a result.

The East has upgraded more pilots than the West because the East has a far higher attrition rate. An attrition rate that the West wants to steal at the expense of 19+ year East pilots!!!!

The AWA MEC and AWA merger committee have thrown the AWA pilots under the bus. ALPA, in their failure to do anything useful to mediate the situation, has failed the AWA and AAA pilots. That failure has cost ALPA dearly.

....and believe me, the foreign guys are very aware of the AWA/AAA situation because many of us foreign guys are former USAir.


...Oh, and don't bring this kind of tripe here to the foreign section. I've kept this area clean of these arguments and pretty much stay off the majors board as a result of it. Cactus Mike and I have had debates on the major board, but if he asks legit questions here I'll answer/help without any acrimony. We can agree to disagree on some things but he's still a brother pilot and if he ( or you ) want to go to a foreign airline I don't hold a grudge.


Typhoonpilot

 

Back to India, and Air India. Quite a number of the guys from my former airline( an airline with just under two hundred pilots) have left the subcontinent and have gone home while none who took jobs in the UAE have done the same. Granted the sample is small but the percentages are significant. I dread flying either into India or through Indian airspace, that place is chaos.

 

Typhoon,

I will respect your differences. just trying to get the requisite 10 posts to PM Koru on this site... which I learned is now 25.

Just three things to remember:

1. One foot on the banana peel and the other in the grave for the east at time of merger. Days from liquidation.

2. West pilots that were within months of being upgraded now are looking at 20 yrs. in the right seat.

3. The arbitrator made his decision and USAPA is trying to trick it by decertifying ALPA and overturning the award. Most neutral observers see it for what it is, including the arbitrator and panel of neutrals.

I will say no more. Good luck to you.

 

Just left Air India after 6 months as a 777 FO and I'd be happy to answer questions or put guys in touch with expat CAPTs. The job really depends on two main things...

1. Capt or FO? As a Capt you are obviously more of a commodity and get more of a say in your schedule. Most CAPTs are on a 7 on/6 off (days) schedule versus FOs on 6 on/2 off (wks). As a CAPT most flights tend to be JFK-DEL/BOM and as a rule of thumb expect to be the cruise relief to a 40 something Indian Capt despite what experience you bring to the table. Expat FOs are also primarily used in the cruise relief position. Also there must be an Indian on the crew so any 2 man operations won't be with another expat.

2. Do you live in/near an Air India destination (JKF, ORD, LHR, BHX)? Air India only pays to get you from one of their destinations to the plane, so if you live off line the commute is on your own dime/time. Most of the guys that are happy live in the NYC/BOS/DC area so when they land they are home.

Obviously there are a lot of other cultural and company issues that one must consider, but I'll let you shoot with specific questions first.

 

Mayfly, so you're all finished eh. Drop me a line when you get home and get the chance, or let me know and I'll call you.

Is your conversion training going to be close to home or in the EU?

Ciao Mate