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Old 07-30-2007, 11:34 AM   #1
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Default UAL Pilot Hiring Update 07/30/2007

More Than 1,000 Pilots Apply for New Pilot Positions at United Airlines

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Posted: 2007-07-30 11:45:16
CHICAGO, July 30 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- More than 1,000 pilots applied for 100 positions at United in the first 10 days that the company sought applications. The company is looking to hire 100 experienced pilots by the end of this year.

"We are impressed by the volume of applications and, more importantly, by the caliber and diversity of the candidates applying for these positions," said Captain Hank Krakowski, vice president, Flight Operations. "We set extremely high standards for our pilots and are looking for the best of the best to join our distinguished team."

United officially opened the online application site at united.com/pilot on Monday, July 16. This is the first time the company has hired new pilots since 2001. This latest hiring effort is being driven by United's expansion of flying into international markets. The online application site remains open for interested candidates.

Newly hired pilots will begin training at United's state-of-the-art Flight Training Center in Denver as early as October, with the first group expected to be flying for United by the end of the year. A full listing of qualifications for pilot applicants can be found at united.com/pilot.
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More Than 1,000 Pilots Apply for New Pilot Positions at United Airlines"We set extremely high standards for our pilots and are looking for the best of the best to join our distinguished team."
Seriously.
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Seriously? I am sure FedEx puts some nice spin on the "quality" of the hiring and training that it does. However, the hull losses you guys have had sure speak volumes. If FedEx were a scheduled pax carrier they would have been shuttered for the number of crashes they have had.
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Seriously? I am sure FedEx puts some nice spin on the "quality" of the hiring and training that it does. However, the hull losses you guys have had sure speak volumes. If FedEx were a scheduled pax carrier they would have been shuttered for the number of crashes they have had.
OK, talk to us about San Bruno Mountain, the recent incursion in FLL, and the chick that struggled to talk on the radio a few days ago in the South Pacific. I could go on and on, but what's the point?

Truth is, UAL's poop stinks just like the rest of ours.

I've heard rumor that the current rejection emails are being sent from UAL's HR dept. with a "hr-pro@invalidemail.com" address. That's pretty impressive to have a company that can't even provide a real email address when they down you.

Considering that UAL used to interview 20-30 applicants to hire one, I'd say that 1000 applications represent a pretty shallow pool to draw from - that or UAL is lowering standards just like everyone else (except for the companies where pilots actually want to work).

The PR NEWSWIRE header says it all: UAL propaganda.
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How many of the 1,000 that applied were qualified? How many are just 'testing the waters' while they await CAL, DAL, FDX, UPS, or Cathay? And ultimately, how many will stay on once they're hired?

In its current state, I view UAL as SWA used to be: a training ground for the Big Boys.
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How many of the 1,000 that applied were qualified? How many are just 'testing the waters' while they await CAL, DAL, FDX, UPS, or Cathay? And ultimately, how many will stay on once they're hired?

In its current state, I view UAL as SWA used to be: a training ground for the Big Boys.
I "tested the waters" and applied the first day w/ 2 internal recommendations from relatively senior FOs. I have not received a response. They probably incorrectly assumed I will drop a bunch Mil Leave as soon as possible. I felt somewhat "vindicated" when Delta contacted me for an interview. (5 Sep interview date) At least someone wants to take a closer look at me!
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OK, talk to us about San Bruno Mountain, the recent incursion in FLL, and the chick that struggled to talk on the radio a few days ago in the South Pacific. I could go on and on, but what's the point?

Truth is, UAL's poop stinks just like the rest of ours.
Sure ALL airlines have issues. However, UAL has been very fortunate to not have suffered a crew caused hull loss in many many years. I hope we can maintain that streak but tomorrow is always a new day. However, the rap that UAL has an inferior quality of airman versus the other carriers is absurd, especially coming from a FEDEX guy. All carriers have errors, it is the errors that progress to crashes that are the ones stick out like sore thumb. If you like to bash "chick" pilots, then how about the "chick" pilot from FedEx that put that trashed that MD11 in MEM? Bet she was a whiz on the radio.

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I've heard rumor that the current rejection emails are being sent from UAL's HR dept. with a "hr-pro@invalidemail.com" address. That's pretty impressive to have a company that can't even provide a real email address when they down you.
If it is such a crappy job then why be disappointed in a rejection email? Would you rather they drag you out to DEN to fly a sim and sit in a hotel on your dime, or just say "no thanks" and move on to the next candidate? Perhaps we can get a singing telegram to pop by the house of those we reject and give them the bad news.

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Considering that UAL used to interview 20-30 applicants to hire one, I'd say that 1000 applications represent a pretty shallow pool to draw from
Consider there are only 100 posted vacancies and the computer rejects anyone that does not meet the mins then all of those that applied are qualified per the hiring mins which are significantly higher than they were at one time. So that would mean hiring 1 in 10 of those that apply.
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Sure ALL airlines have issues. However, UAL has been very fortunate to not have suffered a crew caused hull loss in many many years. I hope we can maintain that streak but tomorrow is always a new day. However, the rap that UAL has an inferior quality of airman versus the other carriers is absurd, especially coming from a FEDEX guy. All carriers have errors, it is the errors that progress to crashes that are the ones stick out like sore thumb. If you like to bash "chick" pilots, then how about the "chick" pilot from FedEx that put that trashed that MD11 in MEM? Bet she was a whiz on the radio.

If it is such a crappy job then why be disappointed in a rejection email? Would you rather they drag you out to DEN to fly a sim and sit in a hotel on your dime, or just say "no thanks" and move on to the next candidate? Perhaps we can get a singing telegram to pop by the house of those we reject and give them the bad news.

Consider there are only 100 posted vacancies and the computer rejects anyone that does not meet the mins then all of those that applied are qualified per the hiring mins which are significantly higher than they were at one time. So that would mean hiring 1 in 10 of those that apply.
My man, settle down. Let me explain the 'seriously' comment. I was in no way bashing the quality of airmen at United and would never question the proficiency of fellow airline professionals. I just found it entertaining that with the current situation with UAL's work rules, compensation, retirement, etc. that management would still think they could draw 'the best of the best' as applicants. If they want the best, maybe they should consider giving you guys back a little bit of what they've stolen.

Comparing accident records between FDX and UAL is apples and oranges. The system form and type of flying is totally different. But maybe you've never hub-turned in Asia with 3 typhoons lurking about...that's OK, I've never flown from Fresno to Bakersfield.
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My man, settle down. Let me explain the 'seriously' comment. I was in no way bashing the quality of airmen at United and would never question the proficiency of fellow airline professionals. I just found it entertaining that with the current situation with UAL's work rules, compensation, retirement, etc. that management would still think they could draw 'the best of the best' as applicants. If they want the best, maybe they should consider giving you guys back a little bit of what they've stolen.

Comparing accident records between FDX and UAL is apples and oranges. The system form and type of flying is totally different. But maybe you've never hub-turned in Asia with 3 typhoons lurking about...that's OK, I've never flown from Fresno to Bakersfield.
wasn't that a Tom Hanks movie....????
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Comparing accident records between FDX and UAL is apples and oranges. The system form and type of flying is totally different. But maybe you've never hub-turned in Asia with 3 typhoons lurking about...that's OK, I've never flown from Fresno to Bakersfield.
Really different eh? I have flown plenty of tags out of NRT on the 400 ( you know the 4 engine jet, that your competition operates) so yes I am familiar with Asia flying, South America and Europe. Seems that several of FedEx crashes have happened during daylight hours in the ol US of A. (MEM MD10, EWR MD11, TLH B727). I am not sure how many have happened outside the US. At any rate that is a significant number of crashes in a short period of time. Can you name a pax carrier with a similar record that is not based in one of the baltic states?

If you are too tired to fly a safe airplane then you should not accept the flight. Maybe that is the difference, the UAL pilots have the orbs to say NO to an unsafe condition. I hope the UPS pilots are more concerned about safety than FE because I am going to start shipping all my stuff on them in hopes of my items arriving without being turned upside down and burned.

As to the benefit situation. Didn't you guys just recently get a B fund?

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