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Old 01-03-2009, 10:42 AM
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Working on the Korean commuting contract, do you qualify for the foreign earned income exclusion?

Publication 54 (2008), Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad

You won’t have 330 days out of the US, so you don’t meet the physical presence test. But it seems that you can still qualify for the foreign earned income exclusion if you can claim to be a “bona fide resident” of Korea. Is this possible?
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I don't think the requirement is that you be a tax resident of Korea. Just that you maintain a tax residence outside the US.
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Old 01-03-2009, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomerang View Post
I don't think the requirement is that you be a tax resident of Korea. Just that you maintain a tax residence outside the US.
Well here's a quote from IRS Pub 54: (linked above)
"If your tax home is in a foreign country and you meet the bona fide residence test or the physical presence test, you can choose to exclude from your income a limited amount of your foreign earned income"

So sounds to me like if you won't meet the physical presence test, (330 days outside of the US), you'd have to meet the bona fide residence test.

In casual conversation about this job, everybody talks of the $87k income exclusion. I'm just trying to find where it's justified with the IRS.

My accountant doesn't have alot of experience with this stuff, and he told me at first glance that I wouldn't qualify for the exclusion. I'm hoping he's wrong.
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With the contract for Korean, KAL puts you up at the Incheon Hyatt while you're flying their system, at their cost. So there would not be any reason (other than taxes) to buy/rent a house in Seoul.

Hopefully somebody who's already working this contract (or a similar contract), while still living in the USA will pipe in here.
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while still living in the USA will pipe in here.
This will not allow you to meet the bona fide residence test. Basically you need to ask yourself, "where do I return to when I finish work"? If it is the US, you will have a tough time qualifying for it. Do you have a visa for where you are claiming you reside? If you had a house prior to accepting the overseas assignment, what are you doing with it now? If you are renting it out or did you sell it? If so, then you have a better chance of qualifying. If you are still living in it and return there when you are finished work it probably will not work.

This is just my experience from qualifying for the exemption for the last 2 years. If you do think you qualify or are not sure, pony up the money and get a tax expert that specializes in expat taxes.
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Yeah that's a touchy issue right here, and I will strongly advise you to see a tax professional. One that specializes in the foreign income tax exclusion.

I moved to HKG last year and in order to qualify I have to use the physical presense test since I arrived after Jan 1st. From what I've heard you can only use the bona fide residence test from Jan 1 to Jan 1.

It's also going to help you to have an address set up, be paying bills there, have a phone number, and definitely a visa and identity card.

Don't trust my word for it, pay the money and go to a pro.
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The other option is to use the Foreign Per Diem rates for each day that you are out of the USA. It doesn't quite equate to what the foreign earned income exclusion is, but it's close.

Be very careful as the IRS is actively auditing expat pilots right now and looking very carefully at the foreign earned income exclusion. They are taking a bizarre interpretation in some audits that time spent over international waters does not count towards your foreign earned income exclusion. They are asking pilots to provide them detailed ( minute by minute ) accounts of their flight times to assess the percentage of time over international waters and then reducing the exclusion by that percentage.

There are efforts underway to 1) increase the foreign earned income exclusion and 2) to assert pressure on the IRS to back off on the bizarre interpretation ( apparently a leap of logic from cases against merchant seamen ).

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Shoot me an email and I'll give you the name of a lady that does some of the KAL guys taxes.

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I'm getting ready to take a contract overseas. So this is a great topic. Thanks!!
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Old 05-19-2015, 12:25 AM
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Note that there have been some recent cases [Lisa Hamilton Savary, Petitioner v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, Respondent; Rogers v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo, 2009-111; Clark v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2008-71]
concerning pilots and crew trying to claim the foreign earned income exclusion under either the bona-fide residence or physical presence test when they live abroad.

One big item that seems to be consistently ignored is that flight time over international airspace is not considered a foreign workday. You must actually be flying over a foreign country or its territorial waters for such time to be considered a foreign work day for foreign earned income exclusion purposes.

In the event of audit, such oversight can be end up resulting in a huge amount of tax due plus 20% negligence penalty!
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