LionAir
04-06-2009, 12:07 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Contract purgatory
Posts: 701
Thanx fur tha spalling lisson; seriously, the spelling police? You must be bored mate.
Of course you will notice that I spelled 'whoring' correctly.
Cin cin.
Of course you will notice that I spelled 'whoring' correctly.
Cin cin.
Last edited by KoruPilot; 04-06-2009 at 12:28 AM.
04-07-2009, 01:00 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: A319 320 321 LEFT GOOOOOD
Posts: 377
US Export-Import Bank announced approval of some $1.08 billion in financing to support the delivery of up to 30 737-900ERs to Indonesia's Lion Air. The financing comprises $238 million in a first stage and a nonbinding preliminary commitment of $841 million. Ex-Im Bank said the transactions were its first in support of the -900ER.
04-19-2009, 12:34 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Left Out
Posts: 139
Recruitment Process
Does this mean it costs about $450 USD to get an interview with this outfit? If that is the case I would like to announce the startup of "Big Joe's Airline" we fly 757's from LAX to HNL, we have uh, er um...three 75s. With finanancing on the way for three more, or something like that. Interviews cost $350 USD. We only accecpt Cash.....
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Cpt: pay 400 euro to get interview Does this mean it costs about $450 USD to get an interview with this outfit? If that is the case I would like to announce the startup of "Big Joe's Airline" we fly 757's from LAX to HNL, we have uh, er um...three 75s. With finanancing on the way for three more, or something like that. Interviews cost $350 USD. We only accecpt Cash.....
05-01-2009, 12:47 AM
#16
alchemist
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,089
here is a link with useful info regarding lionair. Good luck
Lion Air (Indonesia) - Pilot Career Center Airline Details
Lion Air (Indonesia) - Pilot Career Center Airline Details
12-16-2011, 07:04 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: NA
Posts: 110
Originally Posted by Joepa84
Recruitment Process
Does this mean it costs about $450 USD to get an interview with this outfit? If that is the case I would like to announce the startup of "Big Joe's Airline" we fly 757's from LAX to HNL, we have uh, er um...three 75s. With finanancing on the way for three more, or something like that. Interviews cost $350 USD. We only accecpt Cash.....
last update
Cpt: pay 400 euro to get interview Does this mean it costs about $450 USD to get an interview with this outfit? If that is the case I would like to announce the startup of "Big Joe's Airline" we fly 757's from LAX to HNL, we have uh, er um...three 75s. With finanancing on the way for three more, or something like that. Interviews cost $350 USD. We only accecpt Cash.....
12-18-2011, 02:56 AM
#19
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Posts: 5,912
On a different note about their pay to fly program...
To all potential P2F’ers. Someday you will be having a meal with other pilots who earned their way into the cockpit the old fashioned way…. no short cuts… just plain hard honest work, building legitimate hours to earn their right in the right seat… no bribes or tapping the family treasury to buy one’s way into the cockpit.
Of course one of the legitimate pilots will ask you the ultimate question. “So where did you do your training, and did you build your hours.” Gulp… will you have the courage to admit that you bribed your way into the cockpit by paying a training organization for jet time? Or are you going to exclude the fact that you were one of those who continue to keep the bar low and prevent the improvement in terms and conditions for our profession?
The P2F stigma does not disappear so easily. The world of aviation is a very small one at that. Your baggage will follow you no matter where you go. Someday, you will apply for a job with a carrier. You will be included in the selection process with other low timers. Perhaps your fellow low timers may have little or no jet time. Anyway during the interview, and explain how you obtained your jet time with such low time. You can’t lie, especially during an interview. Trust me, it won’t take a rocket scientist to figure out you were one of the P2F’ers. Whether you fess up during the interview or the record background check your prospective airline will conduct. I’ll bet a month’s salary you will be out and the low timer in. Most carriers want honest hard working pilots who appreciate the value of their airman certificates.
Lets fast forward into the future. Let’s assume you manage to get on with a carrier. All the shine and buff has worn off, and you are feeling less than content with your position, pay, terms and conditions. You are pi$$ed off because your airline wants to increase your productivity from 80 to 95 hours per month with no pay increase. Further your airline wants to reduce your annual leave from 4 to 2 weeks per year. Your airline wants to cut back on medical and retirement benefits. And all you do is just grumble. Well, take a good long look in the mirror and ask who is responsible for such crappy treatment. The answer is in the same mirror. Remember folks, we are now in the future. That said go back to 2011 when you wanted to sidestep the normal route to the cockpit and P2F. Remember how the training organization took your parents paid good money and how the airlines exploited you and other P2Fers alike. Now you have the answer as to why terms and conditions within our industry are on the decline… The P2f’ers are a major part of the problem. And that’s why you can’t expect other pilots who earned they way into the cockpit to really respect you. Oh, they’ll probably talk to you, but you’ll carry the P2F’er label wherever you go.
I declined the invitation joining Lion Air as a TRI/TRE, and any other carrier for that fact, continues to undermine the decline of the terms and conditions of an industry that I've been associated with for the past 36 yeras.
I sent off an email to both Lion Air and Rishworth.
At the end of the day Airline Management won't have any resect for us as professionals until we as a group respect ourselves. All I can say folks is follow your heart and your conscience.
To all potential P2F’ers. Someday you will be having a meal with other pilots who earned their way into the cockpit the old fashioned way…. no short cuts… just plain hard honest work, building legitimate hours to earn their right in the right seat… no bribes or tapping the family treasury to buy one’s way into the cockpit.
Of course one of the legitimate pilots will ask you the ultimate question. “So where did you do your training, and did you build your hours.” Gulp… will you have the courage to admit that you bribed your way into the cockpit by paying a training organization for jet time? Or are you going to exclude the fact that you were one of those who continue to keep the bar low and prevent the improvement in terms and conditions for our profession?
The P2F stigma does not disappear so easily. The world of aviation is a very small one at that. Your baggage will follow you no matter where you go. Someday, you will apply for a job with a carrier. You will be included in the selection process with other low timers. Perhaps your fellow low timers may have little or no jet time. Anyway during the interview, and explain how you obtained your jet time with such low time. You can’t lie, especially during an interview. Trust me, it won’t take a rocket scientist to figure out you were one of the P2F’ers. Whether you fess up during the interview or the record background check your prospective airline will conduct. I’ll bet a month’s salary you will be out and the low timer in. Most carriers want honest hard working pilots who appreciate the value of their airman certificates.
Lets fast forward into the future. Let’s assume you manage to get on with a carrier. All the shine and buff has worn off, and you are feeling less than content with your position, pay, terms and conditions. You are pi$$ed off because your airline wants to increase your productivity from 80 to 95 hours per month with no pay increase. Further your airline wants to reduce your annual leave from 4 to 2 weeks per year. Your airline wants to cut back on medical and retirement benefits. And all you do is just grumble. Well, take a good long look in the mirror and ask who is responsible for such crappy treatment. The answer is in the same mirror. Remember folks, we are now in the future. That said go back to 2011 when you wanted to sidestep the normal route to the cockpit and P2F. Remember how the training organization took your parents paid good money and how the airlines exploited you and other P2Fers alike. Now you have the answer as to why terms and conditions within our industry are on the decline… The P2f’ers are a major part of the problem. And that’s why you can’t expect other pilots who earned they way into the cockpit to really respect you. Oh, they’ll probably talk to you, but you’ll carry the P2F’er label wherever you go.
I declined the invitation joining Lion Air as a TRI/TRE, and any other carrier for that fact, continues to undermine the decline of the terms and conditions of an industry that I've been associated with for the past 36 yeras.
I sent off an email to both Lion Air and Rishworth.
At the end of the day Airline Management won't have any resect for us as professionals until we as a group respect ourselves. All I can say folks is follow your heart and your conscience.
12-19-2011, 04:19 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 144
Originally Posted by captjns
on a different note about their pay to fly program...
To all potential p2f’ers. Someday you will be having a meal with other pilots who earned their way into the cockpit the old fashioned way…. No short cuts… just plain hard honest work, building legitimate hours to earn their right in the right seat… no bribes or tapping the family treasury to buy one’s way into the cockpit.
Of course one of the legitimate pilots will ask you the ultimate question. “so where did you do your training, and did you build your hours.” gulp… will you have the courage to admit that you bribed your way into the cockpit by paying a training organization for jet time? Or are you going to exclude the fact that you were one of those who continue to keep the bar low and prevent the improvement in terms and conditions for our profession?
The p2f stigma does not disappear so easily. The world of aviation is a very small one at that. Your baggage will follow you no matter where you go. Someday, you will apply for a job with a carrier. You will be included in the selection process with other low timers. Perhaps your fellow low timers may have little or no jet time. Anyway during the interview, and explain how you obtained your jet time with such low time. You can’t lie, especially during an interview. Trust me, it won’t take a rocket scientist to figure out you were one of the p2f’ers. Whether you fess up during the interview or the record background check your prospective airline will conduct. I’ll bet a month’s salary you will be out and the low timer in. Most carriers want honest hard working pilots who appreciate the value of their airman certificates.
Lets fast forward into the future. Let’s assume you manage to get on with a carrier. All the shine and buff has worn off, and you are feeling less than content with your position, pay, terms and conditions. You are pi$$ed off because your airline wants to increase your productivity from 80 to 95 hours per month with no pay increase. Further your airline wants to reduce your annual leave from 4 to 2 weeks per year. Your airline wants to cut back on medical and retirement benefits. And all you do is just grumble. Well, take a good long look in the mirror and ask who is responsible for such crappy treatment. The answer is in the same mirror. Remember folks, we are now in the future. That said go back to 2011 when you wanted to sidestep the normal route to the cockpit and p2f. Remember how the training organization took your parents paid good money and how the airlines exploited you and other p2fers alike. Now you have the answer as to why terms and conditions within our industry are on the decline… the p2f’ers are a major part of the problem. And that’s why you can’t expect other pilots who earned they way into the cockpit to really respect you. Oh, they’ll probably talk to you, but you’ll carry the p2f’er label wherever you go.
I declined the invitation joining lion air as a tri/tre, and any other carrier for that fact, continues to undermine the decline of the terms and conditions of an industry that i've been associated with for the past 36 yeras.
I sent off an email to both lion air and rishworth.
At the end of the day airline management won't have any resect for us as professionals until we as a group respect ourselves. All i can say folks is follow your heart and your conscience.
To all potential p2f’ers. Someday you will be having a meal with other pilots who earned their way into the cockpit the old fashioned way…. No short cuts… just plain hard honest work, building legitimate hours to earn their right in the right seat… no bribes or tapping the family treasury to buy one’s way into the cockpit.
Of course one of the legitimate pilots will ask you the ultimate question. “so where did you do your training, and did you build your hours.” gulp… will you have the courage to admit that you bribed your way into the cockpit by paying a training organization for jet time? Or are you going to exclude the fact that you were one of those who continue to keep the bar low and prevent the improvement in terms and conditions for our profession?
The p2f stigma does not disappear so easily. The world of aviation is a very small one at that. Your baggage will follow you no matter where you go. Someday, you will apply for a job with a carrier. You will be included in the selection process with other low timers. Perhaps your fellow low timers may have little or no jet time. Anyway during the interview, and explain how you obtained your jet time with such low time. You can’t lie, especially during an interview. Trust me, it won’t take a rocket scientist to figure out you were one of the p2f’ers. Whether you fess up during the interview or the record background check your prospective airline will conduct. I’ll bet a month’s salary you will be out and the low timer in. Most carriers want honest hard working pilots who appreciate the value of their airman certificates.
Lets fast forward into the future. Let’s assume you manage to get on with a carrier. All the shine and buff has worn off, and you are feeling less than content with your position, pay, terms and conditions. You are pi$$ed off because your airline wants to increase your productivity from 80 to 95 hours per month with no pay increase. Further your airline wants to reduce your annual leave from 4 to 2 weeks per year. Your airline wants to cut back on medical and retirement benefits. And all you do is just grumble. Well, take a good long look in the mirror and ask who is responsible for such crappy treatment. The answer is in the same mirror. Remember folks, we are now in the future. That said go back to 2011 when you wanted to sidestep the normal route to the cockpit and p2f. Remember how the training organization took your parents paid good money and how the airlines exploited you and other p2fers alike. Now you have the answer as to why terms and conditions within our industry are on the decline… the p2f’ers are a major part of the problem. And that’s why you can’t expect other pilots who earned they way into the cockpit to really respect you. Oh, they’ll probably talk to you, but you’ll carry the p2f’er label wherever you go.
I declined the invitation joining lion air as a tri/tre, and any other carrier for that fact, continues to undermine the decline of the terms and conditions of an industry that i've been associated with for the past 36 yeras.
I sent off an email to both lion air and rishworth.
At the end of the day airline management won't have any resect for us as professionals until we as a group respect ourselves. All i can say folks is follow your heart and your conscience.
