Mod Note:

Good grief. Everyone (and I mean everyone) color within the lines of the Terms of Use and Forum Rules or you're going into the disciplinary system, from which many have not come back.

People are welcome to post in the Foreign section even though they may work at a Legacy or even a Regional. There is no rule against that. In fact, it makes the Forums much more dynamic. What is not a good thing is people outing others, posting personal identifiers, threats, trolling, posting flamebait, insults, profanity, nude pics, making racist comments (boy, did we have a lot of those) or making sexist remarks.

I am not logged in here 24/7 since I have a lot of obligations and commitments outside of APC, but when I do log in and see these types of posts, I get very unhappy. And believe me, you don't want me unhappy.

 

Captain "T" had something wrong with his blood apparently... as does every candidate. So after drawing lots of vials and running lots of tests, he had to do another scan to check... something, who knows. They didn't tell him anything detailed in English. He just knew he had to do it. So, you get injected with dye and as preparation you are hooked up to an IV. This one has a nice air bubble in it...

 

Thank you for this clarification VBnD. It is much appreciated.

C.S.

 

This is the hotel he was put up in and had to pay for out of pocket. It was only about $40 a night... Seems the mini-bar had no arsenic this time around though.



Enjoy your trip to work in China!
End transmission.
C.S.

 

Ok here is a question then, personally speaking I don't get offended easily. However when someone was to post something questions my credentials, or making remakes about my skills, resume etc, then I would think it's fair game to reply in the same way. Or is that considered flaimbaiting, trolling etc.

No one wants to get into a high school slugfest but at the same time one has to respond in a like manner

 

And on a side note we appreciate you being a mod and making things right. Regarding the racism, while some of the comments might seem that way I think atleast for myself my intention is not of a racists nature. It's just trying to explain and point out the diff between us and them. My wife is Chinese and I see many of the same culture diff in our relationship as I can see at work. But in no way I am a racist. I would say I'm a realist.

For myself as I am sure others we are fortunate to have these jobs and make the kind of salary we do. In the 5 years here I've managed to pay off my car, bikes , and house while still putting enough savings away to not worry if I don't get that dream job at a major. As a matter of fact sometimes I get the feeling that once a company back home knows you worked in China it's like your spoiled fruit. Maybe it's just me.

I think what CS as well as myself have been trying to do is simply point out the realities. This is to give people a taste of the day to day life of actually being here.

Regarding Probe or others I have conflict with I take it with a grain of salt. I am sure that (and I'm not blowing sunshine here) they are probably good guys who just are venting some frustration and when they get told they are wrong then it becomes personal to them.

So I think some sarcasm and going back and forth is ok. But threats (the personal insults don't bother me much actually make me laugh) and talking about getting others outted isn't cool. But that's just my opinion....

 

Everyone's mileage will differ. I know a handful of guys who love it in China. We have a couple of guys who have married local girls, started a family and essentially settled down full time in China. We have some guys who get burnt out immediately. At my airline we had a guy from Sweden start just four months ago. Saw him three days ago and he is stressed beyond belief and ready to get out. I got burnt out pretty quickly myself. I have survived over a year and a half now, but I am looking for a way out.

As for the safety, efficiency and professionalism of Chinese aviation, while there are clearly a few guys who think it is great, the VAST majority of us have major issues with it. And many of their corporate practices and policies go directly against ICAO standards and norms (e.g. the extreme punishment culture in the Chinese aviation)

 

Yeah, the threats need to stop. That isn't cool at all.

As far as the story of the Swedish guy, this is very common among expats in China. I saw it again and again.


This is a reality that we are desperately trying to relate to people who get dollar signs dazzling their eyes. There are realities that need to be dealt with.


If you have a friend going over there, PLEASE, if you value your friendship send him our way. Here is a current link again:Flying Upside Down
C.S.

 

Ok, I am on my second China contract. I have been kicked out of left seat during touch and go's, I have failed the ICAO Chinglishhshsh exam, I have failed the ATP, and I have been sent home to wear the heart monitor after my medical....and with all that said, I am still here. There is a price to pay to fly and live here in China, some can and some cannot. I can say one thing, if you live and fly here, just be patient and try not to compare your situation to your own home country.


Cheers with one eye open in China

 

Thanks PDP, that is great advice!

I have heard similar stories to yours time and again; to be sure, I went through a lot of the things you notate as well!

Fly safely over there,
C.S.