Transition to Asia
#21
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“. . . . Singapore are up there” with regards to?
Lumping them into the same category as Indo is not fair at all.
CX has ALWAYS had inexperienced joiners, that is nothing new.
And what makes you think KA is poorly run? Compared to which airline? Still an enviable safety record in a particularly harsh flying environment the likes of which most domestic pilots here in the US would never experience.
A quick look into the DL MD88 over run or the AA 737 over run or the UPS CFIT or the National 744 crash show that STOOPID mistakes are being made in airlines here too, often the result of very marginal CRM.
And lets not start discussing FEDEX and their stellar record.
As much as I hate to admit it, Lucky 888 has a good point.
Lumping them into the same category as Indo is not fair at all.
CX has ALWAYS had inexperienced joiners, that is nothing new.
And what makes you think KA is poorly run? Compared to which airline? Still an enviable safety record in a particularly harsh flying environment the likes of which most domestic pilots here in the US would never experience.
A quick look into the DL MD88 over run or the AA 737 over run or the UPS CFIT or the National 744 crash show that STOOPID mistakes are being made in airlines here too, often the result of very marginal CRM.
And lets not start discussing FEDEX and their stellar record.
As much as I hate to admit it, Lucky 888 has a good point.
#22
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#23
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As of my current visa status, Thai or anywhere in Asia is the best choice. Since I'll be graduating soon, applying for a green card and getting a US citizenship will definitely take too long. Right now, I'm trying to look for the best work opportunity available for myself that I could go straight in from university to the airlines.
Unfortunately the regionals in the United States does not apply for work visa for international pilots like the major airlines do or else I would've gone that route.
So if US is not an option for right now, what airline would you recommend that I could go work there right away without requiring 2000+ hours other than Thai and Air Asia?
Unfortunately the regionals in the United States does not apply for work visa for international pilots like the major airlines do or else I would've gone that route.
So if US is not an option for right now, what airline would you recommend that I could go work there right away without requiring 2000+ hours other than Thai and Air Asia?
But you can try VietJet, or some carriers in Indonesia like Citilink, Batik Air. They will take anyone as long as you fork out the dough. Be wary though that some other carriers in the region look down on these carriers and it could hinder you in the future. Heres a video of a Citilink pilot. Maybe he'll be your training captain! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKdZt6ImXVg
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You must also include Indonesia which probably has the worst safety record. Thailand, unfortunately, is close. Malaysia and Singapore are up there but most do not hear about the issues in or at Singapore. CX and KA will have issues coming as both operations are being poorly run with a lot of new inexperienced joiners. Don't get me started on China and India.
I think it's the sophistication of the airplanes now that keep a lot out of trouble. I would hazard a guess that the hull losses would be higher if that part of the world was still flying 727s, DC9 etc. Remember that 20/30 years ago lots of experienced pilots around including the refugee Ozzies from the strike. Also, a lot of carriers were built on the experience and management of the bigger world airlines. It took Korean time to figure that out and now Indonesia is starting to come up with the help of the Ozzies. There is a long way to go and it remains to be seen what will happen.
I think it's the sophistication of the airplanes now that keep a lot out of trouble. I would hazard a guess that the hull losses would be higher if that part of the world was still flying 727s, DC9 etc. Remember that 20/30 years ago lots of experienced pilots around including the refugee Ozzies from the strike. Also, a lot of carriers were built on the experience and management of the bigger world airlines. It took Korean time to figure that out and now Indonesia is starting to come up with the help of the Ozzies. There is a long way to go and it remains to be seen what will happen.
#25
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
All this talk about safety records...
Not crashing is not synonymous with "safe". Accident rates are only the final piece of the puzzle (and probably the smallest). Not having had an accident doesn't mean the holes aren't there, just that they haven't lined up yet. Being safe means active vigilance for and management of those "holes" in order to minimize risk and avoid an incident or accident. I think it is that vigilance for "holes" and willingness or ability to mitigate risks that some would say is lacking in the cultures at some foreign carriers.
Not crashing is not synonymous with "safe". Accident rates are only the final piece of the puzzle (and probably the smallest). Not having had an accident doesn't mean the holes aren't there, just that they haven't lined up yet. Being safe means active vigilance for and management of those "holes" in order to minimize risk and avoid an incident or accident. I think it is that vigilance for "holes" and willingness or ability to mitigate risks that some would say is lacking in the cultures at some foreign carriers.
#26
All this talk about safety records...
Not crashing is not synonymous with "safe". Accident rates are only the final piece of the puzzle (and probably the smallest). Not having had an accident doesn't mean the holes aren't there, just that they haven't lined up yet. Being safe means active vigilance for and management of those "holes" in order to minimize risk and avoid an incident or accident. I think it is that vigilance for "holes" and willingness or ability to mitigate risks that some would say is lacking in the cultures at some foreign carriers.
Not crashing is not synonymous with "safe". Accident rates are only the final piece of the puzzle (and probably the smallest). Not having had an accident doesn't mean the holes aren't there, just that they haven't lined up yet. Being safe means active vigilance for and management of those "holes" in order to minimize risk and avoid an incident or accident. I think it is that vigilance for "holes" and willingness or ability to mitigate risks that some would say is lacking in the cultures at some foreign carriers.
Last year, just before I left China, my airline had three Alpha Floor events (A320 operator) in the span of five weeks, two of them at high altitude and one after a go-around. These were with Chinese pilots at the controls. The only reason the expat group ever found out about them is that a few of the expat friendly Chinese FOs told us about them. Alpha Floor is a big deal and those events usually get reported globally, and are investigated by aviation authorities. Yet these three incidents were not reported outside of China. So yeah, I am convinced there is a lot of stuff in China we do not hear about, and never will unless it is too big of an incident to cover up.
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All this talk about safety records...
Not crashing is not synonymous with "safe". Accident rates are only the final piece of the puzzle (and probably the smallest). Not having had an accident doesn't mean the holes aren't there, just that they haven't lined up yet. Being safe means active vigilance for and management of those "holes" in order to minimize risk and avoid an incident or accident. I think it is that vigilance for "holes" and willingness or ability to mitigate risks that some would say is lacking in the cultures at some foreign carriers.
Not crashing is not synonymous with "safe". Accident rates are only the final piece of the puzzle (and probably the smallest). Not having had an accident doesn't mean the holes aren't there, just that they haven't lined up yet. Being safe means active vigilance for and management of those "holes" in order to minimize risk and avoid an incident or accident. I think it is that vigilance for "holes" and willingness or ability to mitigate risks that some would say is lacking in the cultures at some foreign carriers.
#28
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After reading the comments here, I'm on the border as to whether I should stay in the U.S. or move back to Thailand. I applied for a permanent resident a few months back and it has already been approved. I can legally work in both countries without any issues. I recently just graduated from my university as well. As of now, I have about 350 flight hours. Working in Thailand only for a couple of years would allow me to advance a bit faster to the mainlines but working in the U.S. also interests me.
I am trying to avoid the CFI route since that will cost me more money so my choices are to apply to companies such as Mokulele and Air Choice One in the United States. Or if I go to Thailand, I'd most likely be applying to Thai Airways or Nok Air since AirAsia announced that they will no longer accept qualified pilots unless I have the requirements to join them as a captain. What are your opinions on this?
I am trying to avoid the CFI route since that will cost me more money so my choices are to apply to companies such as Mokulele and Air Choice One in the United States. Or if I go to Thailand, I'd most likely be applying to Thai Airways or Nok Air since AirAsia announced that they will no longer accept qualified pilots unless I have the requirements to join them as a captain. What are your opinions on this?
#29
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After reading the comments here, I'm on the border as to whether I should stay in the U.S. or move back to Thailand. I applied for a permanent resident a few months back and it has already been approved. I can legally work in both countries without any issues. I recently just graduated from my university as well. As of now, I have about 350 flight hours. Working in Thailand only for a couple of years would allow me to advance a bit faster to the mainlines but working in the U.S. also interests me.
I am trying to avoid the CFI route since that will cost me more money so my choices are to apply to companies such as Mokulele and Air Choice One in the United States. Or if I go to Thailand, I'd most likely be applying to Thai Airways or Nok Air since AirAsia announced that they will no longer accept qualified pilots unless I have the requirements to join them as a captain. What are your opinions on this?
I am trying to avoid the CFI route since that will cost me more money so my choices are to apply to companies such as Mokulele and Air Choice One in the United States. Or if I go to Thailand, I'd most likely be applying to Thai Airways or Nok Air since AirAsia announced that they will no longer accept qualified pilots unless I have the requirements to join them as a captain. What are your opinions on this?
Word on the street here in Thailand is that Nok is on the ropes. Doubt they will last much longer in their present form and that certainly does not bode well for hiring. Air Asia or Thai Lion might be the better choices. Just make sure you do due diligence on the carrier you choose should you come back to Thailand.
#30
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I think you are on the right track. FWIW, after graduation, you could try and get on with some of the LCC's in Thailand and get your experience. You'll upgrade within 3-5 years and then you can try to get on with Thai Airways. Living expenses in Thailand are not to bad and you can live comfortably on your salary. I would start getting your CV together and start sending out 6 months before graduation. Read the responses here and weigh with a grain of salt. You need to come to a decision that fits you. Good Luck
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